Welcome to Kiev!

Roztitute · March 26, 2012

chicoazul said:
Is right mate, you tell them. All capitalism has meant for you is that a tiny fraction of the country has took ALL of the wealth. It's shocking. Communism is much better.

This is also what it was like under their Communist regime, because essentially, Communism was just a facade to give the workers a false sense of unity and hope.

bluejock · March 26, 2012

tommye said:
she likes it inside, as deep as ye like Mr 3 incher!!

*flicks hulks nipples*

Big enough to fill a pram lad

Whatcha gonna do? When Hulkamania runs wild on you?

tommye · March 26, 2012

bluejock said:
Big enough to fill a pram lad

Whatcha gonna do? When Hulkamania runs wild on you?

lube up. Get hard.

chicoazul · March 27, 2012

Roztitute said:
This is also what it was like under their Communist regime, because essentially, Communism was just a facade to give the workers a false sense of unity and hope.

How mate? Did they not have much, much social systems in place to benefit the people? Healthcare, education, you name it. It was also a safer place to live. Communism isn't the great evil like we've been conditioned to think. I'm not saying it's the answer either but it's as equally flawed as capitalism.

Roztitute · March 27, 2012

chicoazul said:
How mate? Did they not have much, much social systems in place to benefit the people? Healthcare, education, you name it. It was also a safer place to live. Communism isn't the great evil like we've been conditioned to think. I'm not saying it's the answer either but it's as equally flawed as capitalism.

Which era are you referring to? I was talking more about Lenin and Stalin rather than Khrushchev and Brezhnev, not that their tenure was too good.

chicoazul · March 27, 2012

Roztitute said:
Which era are you referring to? I was talking more about Lenin and Stalin rather than Khrushchev and Brezhnev, not that their tenure was too good.

In which case you'd have a good argument sir. I would put those particular brutalities down to the person rather than the system mate and offer Cuba as an alternative example of productive happy happy Communism.

Even the Pope is trying to get in on the act there today. Well in Benny lad.

Roztitute · March 27, 2012

chicoazul said:
In which case you'd have a good argument sir. I would put those particular brutalities down to the person rather than the system mate and offer Cuba as an alternative example of productive happy happy Communism.

Even the Pope is trying to get in on the act there today. Well in Benny lad.

Sorry pal: misunderstanding here. I was just talking about Russia's Communism under those tyrants, not the ideology as whole. Those brutalities were definitely down to the particular system and not Communism. I'm ain't dismissing it at all.

chicoazul · March 27, 2012

Roztitute said:
Sorry pal: misunderstanding here. I was just talking about Russia's Communism under those tyrants, not the ideology as whole. Those brutalities were definitely down to the particular system and not Communism. I'm ain't dismissing it at all.

Agreed mate. I've read up a bit on the Soviet Union pre and post WWII and what happened was systematic murder. Horrible really. I've got a few Russian mates and plenty of mates from behind the old Iron Curtain and pretty all of them to a man preferred the days of the Union rather than the modern days of capitalism which is pretty telling.

Russian Evertonian · March 27, 2012

The 60th, 70th and 80th wasn`t that bad here. As I ve said there was a lot of positives and there wasn`t such a gap between the richmans and the poorest, many people were happy at this period of stability.

Russian Evertonian · March 27, 2012

chicoazul said:
pretty all of them to a man preferred the days of the Union rather than the modern days of capitalism which is pretty telling.

I am not a fan of comminists, I am sure that a great times were in the begining of the 1900th with a Monarchy, but to be honest I agree that life now became much harder then it was in the 1960-1990...

bflefc · March 27, 2012

Sorry to butt in, but I've lived here for nigh on 3 years now and almost all Ukrainians under 40 see themselves as Ukrainian and their future lying in the West. Hardly any have any allegiance to Russia or wish to see their country align more to their eastern neighbour than the west.

And almost everyone is glad they aren't still under a Communist regime. Maybe some OAPs might be, but they are hugely outnumbered by everyone else in society.

Ukraine has moved on. I suspect Russia has, too.

As for being "bandit country", I've been all over the country and never had any problems whatsoever. Not once. And I've been in places and situations where I really should have known better, but never did anything get on top or sticky for me.

Now that I've said that, I'll probably get kidnapped this weekend when away at the football in Simferopol, and 'donate' a kidney or something!

EFCNIK · March 27, 2012

Ha! Tbh mate I've gone on a wander by myself out of the centre of Krakow at about 4am smashed and nothing happened to me. Pure luck.

Clint Planet · March 28, 2012

bflefc said:
Sorry to butt in, but I've lived here for nigh on 3 years now and almost all Ukrainians under 40 see themselves as Ukrainian and their future lying in the West. Hardly any have any allegiance to Russia or wish to see their country align more to their eastern neighbour than the west.

Fair comment, mate. I was merely relaying my own experiences (and I certainly got the impression that the youth looked to the West - it was just that they feared that they might end up being somehow bound to Russia).