Was 11th that bad with our squad last season?

Muggins · August 15, 2016

Layne said:
Martinez left us in 12th, 15 points off 8th. Polishing his turd of a career isn't going to work and he should be remembered with Mike Walker and Wally Smith as a complete failure.

Now he's in charge of Belgium..!!

That's going to go either really well or really badly.

I said exactly the same when he joined Everton and he actually managed to do both.

ilikecheese · August 15, 2016

Layne said:
Martinez left us in 12th, 15 points off 8th. Polishing his turd of a career isn't going to work and he should be remembered with Mike Walker and Wally Smith as a complete failure.

VERY harsh IMO. Took us to 5th with our record point total. He's right between Catterick and Harvey in win percentage at this club.

He needed to go at the end, but to compare him to two of the worst manager in our history is frankly ridiculous when you look at what some of the managers at the club have done.

Mayz · August 15, 2016

@davek will love this I think il pass this thread by ;-)

davek · August 15, 2016

They were a top 8 squad. The player/manager relationship broke down. It slipped places.

It wasn't a great squad, it wasn't terrible. It was imbalanced between a very good attacking unit and a defence that needed gutting...which I'm happy to see Koeman make inroads with now.

ToffeeDan · August 15, 2016

Yes, for many reasons:

1. We had a decent squad
2. We played well enough to deserve some better results
3. We threw a lot of points away
4. Bobby Brown Shoes hacked Mirallas - and others - off and played some out of position.
5. Too many injuries down to lack of fitness training etc.

If on the other hand we'd been gash week after week then that would mean we deserved to do badly. What we shouldn't have done is dominate West Ham (with 10 men) for 70 minutes - lead 2-0 with a penalty to come and then lose 3-2.

Bornmuth away (poor) Chelsea away (bad luck) etc etc Stoke (home) poor decisions..

Osamabindiesel · August 15, 2016

We had Romelu freakin Lukaku running rampant for the first half of the season and we were still in a relatively poor position. Martinez's philosophy crippled this team. They scored goals, but giving away as many leads as we did will psychologically destroy a young team.

toffeejack · August 15, 2016

yes, leicester won the league .... but then chelsea only finished above us because of that cheating linesman

degsy · August 16, 2016

We were seriously gash.
We threw away points hand over fist
a bit of pragmatism could've avoided a lot of that.

ilikecheese · August 16, 2016

toffeejack said:
yes, leicester won the league .... but then chelsea only finished above us because of that cheating linesman

That goal was total BS

anjelikaferrett · August 16, 2016

11th was bad. It seemed to me that for the last three months of last season the players had given up on Martinez and were so demoralised by him they couldnt be bothered to try. The rights and wrongs of that is a whole other debate. Sunderland away was the worst performance I have ever seen from an Everton team. The hostility to Martinez was blindingly obvious. So even if we had not signed a single player since then I would expect a better than 11th finish.

ianefc · August 16, 2016

When being level headed and reasonable, whilst taking everything into consideration including our squad and the squads of our opponents....it wasn't that bad to be fair, it was a disaster. Huge opportunity missed.

1966efc · August 16, 2016

tommye said:
We're Everton Football Club.

11th with any squad is not good enough.

This should be printed up as a large poster and put up in the boardroom and home dressing room.

ianefc · August 16, 2016

ianefc said:
When being level headed and reasonable, whilst taking everything into consideration including our squad and the squads of our opponents....it wasn't that bad to be fair, it was a disaster. Huge opportunity missed.

I take that back actually, it was a necessary evil. A means to an end. In a bit Roberto.