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He, like a lot of managers (Fergie, Cappello, Jose, Clough for eg), is stubborn.

Problem being here is, most stubborn managers tend to have won trophy's and built championship winning teams. They too get it wrong but when they get it right, it pays off.

Moyes aint as privalidged as those managers whether its money, talent etc, and has spend probably the first 3-4 years rebuilding Everton Football Club from the [Poor language removed]-hole it was in.

He's at the point now where....he's got no real problems. No crippling injuries, a heathly squad, real talent, no long seasons with extra games in Europe...but instead of throwing the shackles off and "having a go" he's bound in his own stubborness to go against the grain of what he's built.

We're not going to get Champions League football, and its gonna be a hard fight to get into Europe. Close to 5 players are more than likely going to go at the end of the season, so he'll need to rebuild again.

Facing all that, all I'd like him to do is take a leaf out of Blackpool's books (a breath of fresh air for a promoted side in the prem) and say "**** it!" and just experiment and inject some life into the side because its, funny enough, feeling stale.

NB - Mentioning Blackpool does not mean "Moyes out, Holloway in" or that we should become Blackpool

Moyes is Everton Football Club to be fair. He's moulded it since he's come in.
 
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He, like a lot of managers (Fergie, Cappello, Jose, Clough for eg), is stubborn.

Problem being here is, most stubborn managers tend to have won trophy's and built championship winning teams. They too get it wrong but when they get it right, it pays off.

Moyes aint as privalidged as those managers whether its money, talent etc, and has spend probably the first 3-4 years rebuilding Everton Football Club from the [Poor language removed]-hole it was in.

He's at the point now where....he's got no real problems. No crippling injuries, a heathly squad, real talent, no long seasons with extra games in Europe...but instead of throwing the shackles off and "having a go" he's bound in his own stubborness to go against the grain of what he's built.

We're not going to get Champions League football, and its gonna be a hard fight to get into Europe. Close to 5 players are more than likely going to go at the end of the season, so he'll need to rebuild again.

Facing all that, all I'd like him to do is take a leaf out of Blackpool's books (a breath of fresh air for a promoted side in the prem) and say "**** it!" and just experiment and inject some life into the side because its, funny enough, feeling stale.

NB - Mentioning Blackpool does not mean "Moyes out, Holloway in" or that we should become Blackpool

Moyes is Everton Football Club to be fair. He's moulded it since he's come in.


Thats a pretty fair post mate!

I would say we will find europe easier and think only two players will leave myself!
 
That chant last night was a shot across the bow for Moyes. Not exactly like the 'you dont know what you're doing' chant that Walter Smith got at Goodison a few weeks before he was given the bullet, but significant. I honestly think we'll struggle to get a manager in that can do what he's done on the cash available, but unless we win the cup or do a second half of the season like last season's and get into Europe again, I think many will turn against him good and proper. He might even feel 8/9 years at the club is enough for him. He is looking at a big rebuilding job and I wonder if he'd have the desire for the job, tbh.
 

I think people need to get real.

We arent Everton cicra 1985, we are no longer the best team in the World.

Our rich sugar daddys bailed and we became just another Club in a League brimming with owners willing to invest to get a return, some owners who just like to spend money cos it makes them look cool and gives them a profile.

Our Net transfer spend would make Wigan cry, yet David Moyes has time and time again pulled a rabbit out the hat, yes, hes made some mistakes, but hes put together a very talented squad.

Some of those players are utter shitehawks and should never put on a blue shirt again.

I go to the game and I listen to wankstains jumping on the players backs after 5 minutes, clueless clowns who clearly dont understand how football is played, but yet think they are superior cos they can shout.

I come on here and I read thread after thread, some calling for the Manager to be sacked, some saying our most talented and loyal players dont deserve the wages they get. Then they hide behind "Its the way I feel".

You feel like that cos you havent got a clue.

I used to think RS fans were all clueless, they needed to realise that they ARENT the best side in the world, I doubt they ever will.

But we, as Everton fans need to wake up and take a look around.

Theres no better Manager in world football to take our Club forward, David Moyes IS the ONLY man for the job.

Clearly our board needs to pull its finger out of its arse and actually do something.

Cash is King, untill we get some, we will always fall short.

Amen Goat.
 
Ok, before I write this post I want to say that I am a human being and that sometimes I react with a blert like fashion. That is my nature, and I'm sorry about that. I'm man enough to hold my hand up and say so.

Other people channel their passion through pastie ratings, I channel mine through demonic possessions. Besides, it entertains half of you lot, and you'll miss it once it's gone.

For far too long Everton have been in the shadows of Liverpool, even when we were ace in the 80s we were still in their shadows of the great moustaches of the world. It's clear that Bill Shankly built as he put it 'a bastion of invincibility', and then Paisley and ***en continued it. Since then and under Dalglish the decline began, slowly but surely the worm started to turn, but towards Manchester. They picked up the mantle in emphatic and dominant fashion, whilst we carried on with the belief that if we keep doing what we are doing, we will get there.

Now this waiting game, or belief that we will get there is a complete false dawn on how you achieve anything at a football club. I remember reading the promises from Peter Johnson, I remember seeing the reports that Andy Gray was so close to signing as manager for Everton, but he must have seen something in Peter Johnson early, something that we eventually saw ourselves.

Meanwhile Liverpool had continued to decline, clinging on to a reputation built up by great men of the game, but destroyed by people who had no desire to think forward, and felt that just being Liverpool was enough. Which to be fair won them a fair few games. Then they got lucky and discovered a world class player in Gerrard, along with a miserable but gritty Carragher.

We however relied on the brute force of Dogs of War and Duncan Ferguson, coupled with the odd glimmer of hope from Cadamarteri, Branch and Ball. Unfortunately the powers that be gave no love to the academy based players and believed that to be successful you need to bring in old pro's who had long since past their best.

Hughes, Ginola, Gazza, and so on...

Apart from Kevin Campbell we were devoid of any real passion to succeed, and this sparked the new dawn with David Moyes. Unknown really, untried and lets be honest a massive risk.

Has he achieved what any other manager in his position couldn't? Probably, although I would like to think he can still reach his pinacle at this club and hopefully with some more backing and the academy conveyor belt continuing to produce, he has the makings of winning the title with this club. I truly believe that, and that is why I was so frustrated when he and his team were just not producing and believing their own hype. My so-called kneejerk reaction was just that, and a heat of the moment, but it was also to see what other people really thought. Didn't realise it would touch a nerve so much.

But I hold my hands up and admit I wouldn't want anyone else at the helm.

Meanwhile across the park Liverpool had won the Champions League through Gerrard's sheer desire (not Rafael's tactical genius), this seemed to spark a surge of new fans on the back of this win, who talked like they had followed Liverpool all their life.

Since that win not much has gone right, and although they almost won the league, and probably should have done - the fans felt the need to point the finger at the owners for wrecking their club, even though they knew what they were getting themselves into and if they had won the league, not a flag in sight would have been burned.

So where are we now?

Everton have just beaten a full strength Liverpool side, with 4 of our own top players out injured, and 3 of them going off injured in the game. We had a £60,000 right back destroying their left back and setting up a goal, while they had a £26m super god moving slower than Goat does after a hardcore session.

Liverpool don't really seem to have much youngsters coming through, mainly because I don't think they believe they are more useful than say a tattoed Portugese thug for £20m. The mentality over there is, if we can sign someone for loads of money then that equals success.

The reality is it doesn't equal anything if you can't fit that player into your side or train them and tactically make use of them. Rafael Benitez had that ethos, but at least he showed the arrogance to think he was better than he was - Woy has a losers face, losers attitude and to laugh and joke when you have just lost the derby, badly, just epitomises what they have at the helm.

We on the other hand have a great team spirit, some legends in the making, players proving their worth when other's (including me) had questioned their abilities - Hibbert being one, Yak and Distin being the other 2. Billy still has to do more, and we may have to just cut our losses on that one, but what interests me the most and if we play it right we have the power to compete without having to spend £200m or whatever.

We have the academy chock full of kids who have the abilities to really break into the league with Everton and do what Man U did. Of course having the £50m a season to strengthen the side, either through transfer fees, or paying our players enough money to stave off interest from the vultures, personally I prefer the latter.

Players like Fellaini who is still a baby, Arteta and Cahill still have a good 3 or 4 years in them. Yak also, Coleman and Baines are young, maybe Pienaar may realise his best option is here. Jags is world class, Distin although slightly erratic is a good defender.

Then we have the likes of Rodwell who we were told was better than Rooney at his age, in terms of technique, and I don't think many can argue - but then we hear that Barkley is better than Rodwell, and then you think jesus, this is power we can really harness if we do it right. Unfortunately the lad is out for a while, but hopefully he will come back stronger and mentally more equipped.

Baxter may well turn out to be the player his potential promised if he can get over his blert factor and not turn into Billy Kenny.

Jake Bidwell is another lad, Garbutt another. Femi lad from Southend. These are all talented kids who we can really use to our advantage, and that is how we can step out of the shadows of Liverpool. Show that we believe that we are a better club and better side than them.

Today is the first day of stepping out of those shadows, and I am a proud Evertonian today, because for the first time in a while for me, we matched our potential and showed Liverpool that they no longer can look down on us.

COYB!

I wonder if you change your mind once again when we go on a good winning streak?
 
I remember protesting after the Coventry game to get Johnson out. I know that most Evertonians are from Liverpool, and many of the Kopites protesting were led by people from Liverpool.

So what I'm saying is I don't think a protest is not something that Evertonians don't do. I just wonder how many more seasons can we put up with lets face it, low level achievements, before the board are informed of our unhappiness at this clubs lack of success.

Quite frankly getting sick and tired of hearing Kenwright say he's looking for investment, getting sick and tired of reading about the players giving their excuses post match. Getting sick of Moyes saying were going to keep doing what we are doing.

To what ends? To be able to almost challenge for Europe? I brought myself up as an Evertonian and I still use their motto for everything I do in life. I sometimes don't get what I want, but I always have high aspirations.

Everton making progress is like a tanker turning around in heavy wind. We come on here and we entertain ourselves with fluff, and on the odd occassion someone will say something slightly close to the bone, and everyone jumps on that person for basically wanting more than what they are getting.

Then we get the people who seem content with the current situation at Everton.

We also get people who think Moyes is doing a good job, but Kenwright is doing an appalling job. Which for me is daft, they are both underachieving in my eyes.

I want Kenwright out and I want Moyes out, because quite frankly I'm getting bored with Everton, I've lost count of the times I have seen optimism removed because of an unwillingness to take the situation by the hand and do something about it.

What happened to Robert Earl and his incredible marketing prowess and business sense? All we seem to have gotten from America is a tease from Landon Donovan and a bunch of 4th rate college kids who wouldn't even get into Tranmere's reserve side.

No doubt most will jump all over me about this, but to be honest, I don't give a toss. Put me on ignore.

Waiting David lad, eternally waiting...

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I think people need to get real.

We arent Everton cicra 1985, we are no longer the best team in the World.

Our rich sugar daddys bailed and we became just another Club in a League brimming with owners willing to invest to get a return, some owners who just like to spend money cos it makes them look cool and gives them a profile.

Our Net transfer spend would make Wigan cry, yet David Moyes has time and time again pulled a rabbit out the hat, yes, hes made some mistakes, but hes put together a very talented squad.

Some of those players are utter shitehawks and should never put on a blue shirt again.

I go to the game and I listen to wankstains jumping on the players backs after 5 minutes, clueless clowns who clearly dont understand how football is played, but yet think they are superior cos they can shout.

I come on here and I read thread after thread, some calling for the Manager to be sacked, some saying our most talented and loyal players dont deserve the wages they get. Then they hide behind "Its the way I feel".

You feel like that cos you havent got a clue.

I used to think RS fans were all clueless, they needed to realise that they ARENT the best side in the world, I doubt they ever will.

But we, as Everton fans need to wake up and take a look around.

Theres no better Manager in world football to take our Club forward, David Moyes IS the ONLY man for the job.

Clearly our board needs to pull its finger out of its arse and actually do something.

Cash is King, untill we get some, we will always fall short.

Agreed, despite his few shortcomings, moyes is still the best man to manage our club at the present time. In a time of financial problems all over the world, there is nobody id rather guide us through it than him. As neiler said, if it wasnt for his shrewd dealings in the transfer market(apart from the odd dud) the club would be in a lot worse situation than we find ourselves in, and i, for 1, am very grateful for that.
 

Moyes has performed miracles for us... but, he's no messiah -- he is still human and can make mistakes. So maybe sometimes he should be questioned, and not followed blindly. Should we show some trust and faith? Yes, he's earned the right to be trusted. And last season, when it wasn't going well, we kept the faith, and thought "when the injuries are over".

But now they are. And now we're playing even worse. And I could deal with that, if I thought Moyes was trying his best to change that. The operative word being change. Instead... "we're going to keep doing what we're doing". It's cringeworthy.

I have some self-respect as an Evertonian, and I love the club, so I want us to have some standards, and some dignity. Moyes is just a man, and we as a club are bigger than him. He's earned our time and our respect, but there's a fine line between respect and worship.

I don't want Moyes out. I just want Moyes to change it up a bit. Give some young players a go, try a new formation, drop the players who are playing [Poor language removed] and look disinterested. Rewarding the Yak's best spell in 2 years with a string on the bench, and Saha's worst spell with consecutive starts is just unfathomable, and it sends the wrong messages all around.

I'm not as wise as Moyes when it comes to football. No one on here is. But I can spot when someone's being stubborn, and conservative. And with my basic maths skills, I can spot when it's not working.

It's not working.
 
Moyes wont change mate.

In 9 years we have have played a near identical formation, tactic and substitutions.

He has had his chance and done nothing.
 
Moyes wont change mate.

In 9 years we have have played a near identical formation, tactic and substitutions.

He has had his chance and done nothing.

He's earned and made his chance, to be fair, mate. The squad he took over, when contrasted to the squad he's built, is shocking.

But he hasn't changed at all on the pitch. Admittedly he hasn't has to before. But now teams are privy to us, and we're being outthought and outsmarted almost every week. Which is why Moyes sticking to his guns confuses me. Surely you stick to your guns if you think you're doing the right thing? But how can he think we're doing the right thing, when we're in 14th, and we can't score for toffee? Pun intended.
 
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