Video Technology

[larbert toffee]

I take the point on fairness. But why should we ordinary fans be concerned for those wealthy individuals who have put their money into the game? I don't give if a toss if a poor decision ends up costing Abromavich. Nor for that matter if hurts a club backed to the hilt by sponsors. it So what? We all seem to have forgotten that football is a sport. Sports provide the rough with the smooth. We get emotionally attached to it. But surely none of us get depressed when financial backers get a financial hit.
Football grew over a century and more without worrying about the money involved. And there's no need to be worrying about it now to the extent that there is serious consideration being given to video replays. If individuals/companies etc want to risk putting their money into football then so be it, let them take that risk -- but let's not be making radical changes as a reaction to their potential losses.

The rich people who put money into the game are as much entitled to fairness as the man in the street, but my original point was meant to be regarding the likes of promotion and relegation which can and indeed have come down to a dodgy penalty or a marginal offside that has not been given, they don't call the championship play off the £100m shootout for nothing.

Can I put it another way MrB money and success whether you like it or not go hand in hand, it is somewhat a vicious circle, we are now backed to the hilt by sponsors and we have a main money man in Mr Moshiri, so technically if you don't care if the likes of him and his backers and they lose their money then that would mean we as a club we'd be in trouble or lacking any sort of success, hence the panic to bring in Big Sam to try and maintain our Premiership status thus ensuring we continue to bring in big revenues and retain sponsors.
I'm now a considered old git and would love us to go back to local lads who support the club playing for us on an average wage and a couple of bob to get in with a free programme, but times have moved on it is all about money and barring Leicester which was a freak the six or seven places are generally occupied by the 6/7 richest clubs.
There are potentially millions of pounds won or lost on dodgy decisions and that is one of the reasons we are moving towards video technology and you can argue all you want that is a fact, I don't necessarily disagree with all your points but you've got your head in the sand if you don't think money now calls the shots in the game.

 

[KaiserEFC]

The amount of people who moan about referees “hating us” and us “never getting decisions”, then when something comes in which will sort this, they don’t want it.

Unbelievable lollol

 

[mrb85]

The rich people who put money into the game are as much entitled to fairness as the man in the street, but my original point was meant to be regarding the likes of promotion and relegation which can and indeed have come down to a dodgy penalty or a marginal offside that has not been given, they don't call the championship play off the £100m shootout for nothing.

Can I put it another way MrB money and success whether you like it or not go hand in hand, it is somewhat a vicious circle, we are now backed to the hilt by sponsors and we have a main money man in Mr Moshiri, so technically if you don't care if the likes of him and his backers and they lose their money then that would mean we as a club we'd be in trouble or lacking any sort of success, hence the panic to bring in Big Sam to try and maintain our Premiership status thus ensuring we continue to bring in big revenues and retain sponsors.
I'm now a considered old git and would love us to go back to local lads who support the club playing for us on an average wage and a couple of bob to get in with a free programme, but times have moved on it is all about money and barring Leicester which was a freak the six or seven places are generally occupied by the 6/7 richest clubs.
There are potentially millions of pounds won or lost on dodgy decisions and that is one of the reasons we are moving towards video technology and you can argue all you want that is a fact, I don't necessarily disagree with all your points but you've got your head in the sand if you don't think money now calls the shots in the game.

I fully understand. But if owners and sponsors want to take a dip into football they should be aware that it comes with risks deriving from bad decisions. That there are bad decisions that will cost various parties financially shouldn't be a reason for introducing big changes. Introducing them on grounds of fairness, well fine, that's a totally different matter that few could object to. But then the issue is how the changes materially impact the game itself.
I'm not against VAR where there is absolutely no subjectivity involved, where decisions are black and white. But these are few and far between in football. Fine if VAR is accordingly only used in such a small number of instances but I fear it will become commonplace, particularly to be used by weak referees, with massive implications for the nature of football and the flow of the game. Refs will be continually harassed from the dugouts since the team officials in the dugouts will surely be continually looking at their own screens and quickly playing back to themselves all incidents. Or will all screens and communication with anyone elsewhere with access to a screen be prohibited? I haven't heard this even mentioned to date.

 

[larbert toffee]

I fully understand. But if owners and sponsors want to take a dip into football they should be aware that it comes with risks deriving from bad decisions. That there are bad decisions that will cost various parties financially shouldn't be a reason for introducing big changes. Introducing them on grounds of fairness, well fine, that's a totally different matter that few could object to. But then the issue is how the changes materially impact the game itself.
I'm not against VAR where there is absolutely no subjectivity involved, where decisions are black and white. But these are few and far between in football. Fine if VAR is accordingly only used in such a small number of instances but I fear it will become commonplace, particularly to be used by weak referees, with massive implications for the nature of football and the flow of the game. Refs will be continually harassed from the dugouts since the team officials in the dugouts will surely be continually looking at their own screens and quickly playing back to themselves all incidents. Or will all screens and communication with anyone elsewhere with access to a screen be prohibited? I haven't heard this even mentioned to date.

Your second paragraph is spot on, I am sure once it is introduced everything will settle down and we will embrace it and it will all become part of the game and indeed the powers that be will take stock of how it's going and make some tweaks here and there.
Remember in my original post I made the passing observation 'There is a lot of money at stake' which you have seized upon and polarised, I want the technology introduced primarily for fairness and that in turn ensures that clubs may not wrongly be promoted/relegated win/lose cups and be financially impeded in the process.

 

[larbert toffee]

. Refs will be continually harassed from the dugouts since the team officials in the dugouts will surely be continually looking at their own screens and quickly playing back to themselves all incidents. Or will all screens and communication with anyone elsewhere with access to a screen be prohibited? I haven't heard this even mentioned to date.

Sorry MrB I meant to add I think it maybe somewhere along the lines of tennis/cricket where you may have 3 challenges only to refereeing decisions and if they're against you that's a life lost, I am sure there maybe comms with someone who has access to a screen and the dugout, plus input from the players via the captain, as I said previously I'm sure there will be a few tweaks before it fully evolves.

In whatever shape or form it takes I'm actually looking forward to it.