VAR
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Except for the blatant match rigging where Argentina got 4 penalties every game from VAR.
Why are you putting plastic bags in your recycling bin? you absolute horror!
Cant agree. Live Football is not a computer game. Tech is screwing everything with zero discernable benefit for the average person. That includes ruining our game.
Matelot
Player Valuation: £5m
There is nothing wrong with the hardware/software with regards to VAR. As always, the problems lie with the baboons that operate it.
Technology integrates into sport with ease if done correctly, look at Hawkeye in Tennis, look at DRS/snickometer in Cricket. Notice that we never discuss the goal line technology in football? Examples of technology integrated into sport with ease.
We need to keep VAR, and develop a more robust system/protocol that even baboons can’t get wrong.
If it goes, I never want to hear a manager complain again about a decision that went against his team when VAR may have helped him.
Technology integrates into sport with ease if done correctly, look at Hawkeye in Tennis, look at DRS/snickometer in Cricket. Notice that we never discuss the goal line technology in football? Examples of technology integrated into sport with ease.
We need to keep VAR, and develop a more robust system/protocol that even baboons can’t get wrong.
If it goes, I never want to hear a manager complain again about a decision that went against his team when VAR may have helped him.
deipnosophist
Player Valuation: £80m
VAR should return to the cage it monstered itself out of: only egregious 'maldecisions' should be overturned. And what describes/circumscribes 'egregious'?: just 30 seconds of lookback/review...longer than that and on-field decisions stand.
Scott P
Player Valuation: £100k
If VAR continues, it must have competency and transparency. The VAR officials should be mic'd, and their discussions, and discussions with the referee on the field should be broadcast live. If they blow a call, all involved should be suspended for a match, with that number increasing with each new transgression, and eventual dismissal, if a certain number of blown calls is reached.
Toffeepot
Player Valuation: £35m
Definitely
VAR isn't the problem
We need 'clear and obvious' removed and deal only in the facts of what has happened, VAR is better positioned to do that
Refs need to lose their egos and accept VAR is better positioned too
and fans need to let go of the traditionalist and conservative views that make the League reluctant to give more power over to VAR
Now that we've seen half hearted VAR have no consistency, we need to embrace it fully, because this second layer of subjectivity is ridiculous and isn't worth the increase in injuries due to delays and cooling down
Drico
Player Valuation: £50m
People go on about how VAR kills the joy of a goal - and it does - but that would be a price worth paying if VAR was certain to get decisions right. It isn't. It interferes in things it has no business interfering in, is as inconsistent as any human official refereeing a game, and brings in toenail offsides that the human eye either called reflexively or missed completely when linesmen were responsible for flagging (allowing us to either blame the lino or excuse him on the basis that judging offside is impossible for the human eye).
Scoring a goal is difficult - as DCL can testify. VAR gives the impresson of doing everything it can to find a reason - often spurious - to disallow a goal. "His knee is offside", "he touched him", and other such ridiculousness destroys the benefits of technology. Having a shoulder or a kneecap beyond the last man would result in a flag or no flag in the past. Now it results almost certainly in a flag - but also a three-minute delay. And for what? In the spirit of the rules of the game, a shoulder or knee was not why offside was necessary. It was to stop goal hanging.
Football was always a contact sport. "Touching" somebody before playing the ball - or even after it as happened at the World Cup when Szesze...Szeszeny...the Polish goalkeeper dealt with a cross and grazed Messi with his hand as he fell for the concession of a preposterous penalty - was always part of the game. Force is what used to be taken into account, recklessness, or endangering an opponent. Or simply gaining a premeditated advantage by making contact with a player. In this case, the keeper didn't even see the beatified Lionel, dealt with the danger, and unknowingly feathered the Argentinian as he fell...only to be penalised. A farce. You just know Beto isn't getting that penalty.
Technology itself can be managed. But it needs to have very clear and specific applications. Allow coaches to call for VAR no more than twice a game for offside or penalty incidents. One issue right now is the feeling - paranoid or not - that VAR is used to benefit the fashionable sides. Reduce that by allowing each team two reviews. Allow the video refs to call the on-field ref to a screen ONLY when an egregious error has been made (an off-the-ball incident, for example, or when clear daylight can be identified between the forward and last defender in an offside call). VAR should not be "looking at" or "checking" every single incident in a game. Human error is priced in to the game. If you introduce VAR with all its constraints, you HAVE to eliminate it or it becomes bureaucracy. And that's always the first step to dystopia.
Scoring a goal is difficult - as DCL can testify. VAR gives the impresson of doing everything it can to find a reason - often spurious - to disallow a goal. "His knee is offside", "he touched him", and other such ridiculousness destroys the benefits of technology. Having a shoulder or a kneecap beyond the last man would result in a flag or no flag in the past. Now it results almost certainly in a flag - but also a three-minute delay. And for what? In the spirit of the rules of the game, a shoulder or knee was not why offside was necessary. It was to stop goal hanging.
Football was always a contact sport. "Touching" somebody before playing the ball - or even after it as happened at the World Cup when Szesze...Szeszeny...the Polish goalkeeper dealt with a cross and grazed Messi with his hand as he fell for the concession of a preposterous penalty - was always part of the game. Force is what used to be taken into account, recklessness, or endangering an opponent. Or simply gaining a premeditated advantage by making contact with a player. In this case, the keeper didn't even see the beatified Lionel, dealt with the danger, and unknowingly feathered the Argentinian as he fell...only to be penalised. A farce. You just know Beto isn't getting that penalty.
Technology itself can be managed. But it needs to have very clear and specific applications. Allow coaches to call for VAR no more than twice a game for offside or penalty incidents. One issue right now is the feeling - paranoid or not - that VAR is used to benefit the fashionable sides. Reduce that by allowing each team two reviews. Allow the video refs to call the on-field ref to a screen ONLY when an egregious error has been made (an off-the-ball incident, for example, or when clear daylight can be identified between the forward and last defender in an offside call). VAR should not be "looking at" or "checking" every single incident in a game. Human error is priced in to the game. If you introduce VAR with all its constraints, you HAVE to eliminate it or it becomes bureaucracy. And that's always the first step to dystopia.
Blueclouds
Player Valuation: £35m
How does VAR deal with cheats tho? A player dives?
.Var takes forever and can slow the game down. I want to see a new rule, when a.player goes down like be been shot to leave the pitch for 5 mins.
I hate the offside rule where a knee is offside or a finger. We want more goals in the game. We became the best sport in the world without VAR. VAR will kill the brand if it carries on in this state. What did the World Cup do to make it successful?
.Var takes forever and can slow the game down. I want to see a new rule, when a.player goes down like be been shot to leave the pitch for 5 mins.
I hate the offside rule where a knee is offside or a finger. We want more goals in the game. We became the best sport in the world without VAR. VAR will kill the brand if it carries on in this state. What did the World Cup do to make it successful?
W84 Dum Freeze
Player Valuation: £225k
...same with the time wasting, excellently handled.
This is a fair point, but these ones are a matter of fact. The ball either crossed the line or it didn’t.
Fouls or handballs are often so subjective that 2 people sat next to each will have a different opinion of it, even with 10 video replays.
Can live with technology for goal line decisions, and maybe for offside (if they get the decisions much quicker).
As someone said above, this is about more than just always getting the right decision, it’s a live sport with 40,000 (soon to be 52,000) paying to watch. If that experience is diminished so much, the trade off is too much, IMO.
I'd rather see it used as just a mopping up tool where somebody is watching looking for properly bad decisions. We all accept that sometimes a challenge can look better or worse in real time and having someone checking that the ref hasn't made the wrong decision on that is fine. Same with a dive or the Maradona or Henry style handball its good to use the technology available to say no that is blatantly unfair we need to overturn it. I dont think the review system works in football because the game is a lot more fluid than cricket or tennis where its used and the scoring system is so different so managers would basically just review every goal anyway because theres few enough of them to justify it.
MACCA75
Player Valuation: £70m
Don’t agree I’m afraid. VAR will always be subjective because football is.
Look at the 3 penalty appeals against Ashley Young v Forest - ten people would have ten different opinions on those incidents.
Keep goal line technology and bin the rest.
JelavicBrate2
Player Valuation: £8m
Disagree take a look at Coadys goal in derby last season. If linesmen thought Coady was offside, disallow it. Don't wait until he's ran off celebrating to do it. VAR missed VVD stamping on Onana, a handball by Milner in same game. What your forgetting is ever since Sky came in, there's been an incentive to ensure clubs with large TV audiences do well. Rodris handball was blatant we didn't get penalty, that was bad refereeing it was just blatant corruption. Nobody cares if somebody is slightly offside, plus you still have subjective issues surrounding red card offences.
