VAR

[Chris O'Connor]

It's the uniform abysmal, incompetent and inconsistent standard of refereeing officials in this country, something that's been the case for years not just this season, allied to a culture on social media and tv that screams it's VAR's fault - while exonerating from all blame the human imbeciles operating it, that's undermined any sort of proper introduction.

It's the uniform abysmal, incompetent and inconsistent standard of refereeing officials in this country, something that's been the case for years not just this season, allied to a culture on social media and tv that screams it's VAR's fault - while exonerating from all blame the human imbeciles operating it, that's undermined any sort of proper introduction.

The World cup showed a better way but they in their wisdom have decided on their own version of a 'better' way, thereby creating their own unique mess after responding to perceived outside pressures they just had to listen to.

In the age of twitter and social media where every man and jack (including me) has a say instantly and bandwagons become unstoppable, not getting it right has dealt a fatal blow, and its difficult to see how they can go on with it with this bunch of clowns operating it. Even a far more simplified, clear, limited and less subjective system will fail with this lot.

The equipment, technology and rules are only as good as the idiots who run and apply them.

Yesterday's handball has even defeated Dermot Gallagher, normally so anxious to defend his mates in the middle he'll use anything and everything, even blatant inconsistency.

This one yesterday though has finally got him beat and he couldn't, no matter how hard he perhaps tried, agree with Anthony Taylor's interpretation.

"DERMOT SAYS: I expected a penalty to be awarded. In pre-season, the rules stated that if the hand is above the shoulder and it strikes the ball it's a penalty. Alli's hand is above the shoulder, no doubt. What I would say is that Atkinson didn't see it. The VAR thought that because the two players were in close proximity that it wasn't a clear and obvious error by the referee, therefore he didn't award the penalty. I was surprised the penalty wasn't given."

 

[Alanbileysfeathercut]

Only listen at work but Durham on talksport made a good point about the var ref .
If hes had a shocker on the Saturday will he be in the correct state of mind.
And I bet this lot got a handsome pay rise.

 

[kenada_blue]

Leave. It. To. The. Ref.

Simples. He wants to review something? He asks. He's unsure of something? He asks.

You only need one man in charge and tools to help him.

At the moment, it's technically 2 - VAR and the pitch officials - in charge and each can override each other. It doesn't work as you can't work on the 2 opinions to referee a game.

 

[alvinh]

VAR: Referees are in sheer panic at video decisions, says Chris Sutton

Premier League referees are in "sheer panic" at how the video assistant referee system is being used, says Chris Sutton.

www.bbc.co.uk

"The referees have been told by Mike Riley to not use the [pitchside] monitor because it will slow everything," Sutton said.

Yet there was over three minutes wasted with the VAR guy watching Alli handball from multiple angles. How long would it have taken Atkinson to shift his arse over to the monitor?

 

[Chris O'Connor]

Keith Hackett the first former referee to publicly say Mike Riley has to go and should be sacked. On his watch the standard (of refereeing) has slipped disastrously and the way he's handled the introduction of VAR is a joke.

He says they should immediately instruct referees to use pitchside monitors and judge for themselves as is the case worldwide

They should stop treating match day fans like dirt by keeping them in the dark as to what's happening, they should show replays of the adjudicated incidents on the big screen and keep them involved throughout the process.

He also advocates the use of fully trained specialist VAR officials using ex referees (lists a few but not himself) maintaining the referees also assigned to doing it are overworked and making mistakes.

They aren't properly intervening, either ignoring incidents they should flag or going completely the other way and inappropriately disallowing goals. The policy being reactive to media pressure and what happened last weekend rather than decided and consistent throughout the season as it should be.

 

[Lanolin]

Keith Hackett the first former referee to publicly say Mike Riley has to go and should be sacked. On his watch the standard (of refereeing) has slipped disastrously and the way he's handled the introduction of VAR is a joke.

He says they should immediately instruct referees to use pitchside monitors and judge for themselves as is the case worldwide

They should stop treating match day fans like dirt by keeping them in the dark as to what's happening, they should show replays of the adjudicated incidents on the big screen and keep them involved throughout the process.

He also advocates the use of fully trained specialist VAR officials using ex referees (lists a few but not himself) maintaining the referees also assigned to doing it are overworked and making mistakes.

They aren't properly intervening, either ignoring incidents they should flag or going completely the other way and inappropriately disallowing goals. The policy being reactive to media pressure and what happened last weekend rather than decided and consistent throughout the season as it should be.

Not disagreeing with what he's saying, but Hackett isn't exactly neutral here is he? Riley took his job.

 

[Chris O'Connor]

Not disagreeing with what he's saying, but Hackett isn't exactly neutral here is he? Riley took his job.

In 2009 Riley took over when Hackett now 75 reached retirement age of 65

Riley born 1964, Hackett born 1944

Hackett perhaps may have gone on into his seventies, but possibly 65 seems like a good age to hand over to a far younger man.

Perhaps at the time it wasn't expected that Riley would preside over quite the drop in refereeing standard that he has.

Ever one for stats which can be used to support any case you want, PGMOL now tries to convince us that Jon Moss could give Usain Bolt a run for his money and that referees are fitter than ever.

As Hackett says to head PGMOL you need a hard taskmaster, a respected figure and a change of course. Mike Riley fails on all three of those points.

 

[Lanolin]

In 2009 Riley took over when Hackett now 75 reached retirement age of 65

Riley born 1964, Hackett born 1944

Hackett perhaps may have gone on into his seventies, but possibly 65 seems like a good age to hand over to a far younger man.

Perhaps at the time it wasn't expected that Riley would preside over quite the drop in refereeing standard that he has. Ever one for stats which can be used to support any case you want, PGMOL now tries to convince us that Jon Moss could give Us a in Bolt a run for his money and that referees are fitter than ever.

So because you think it seems like it might possibly have been a good time to maybe handover to a younger man, Hackett can't possibly have any animosity towards Riley. Makes a lot of sense.

 

[Chris O'Connor]

So because you think it seems like it might possibly have been a good time to maybe handover to a younger man, Hackett can't possibly have any animosity towards Riley. Makes a lot of sense.

Your first sentence you said 'you think' when i didn't say anything of the sort.

'It might possibly have been a good time to maybe handover to a younger man'

One doesn't necessarily follow from the other as the word 'might' implies so I never exactly asserted this either, therefore your conclusion and disparaging remark afterwards are made on shaky assumptions and without foundation.

Hackett may or may not bear some animosity towards Riley, you may or may not guess he does but I don't know.

 

[Lanolin]

Your first sentence you said 'you think' when i didn't say anything of the sort.

One doesn't necessarily follow from the other and I never asserted this either therefore your conclusion and disparaging remark afterwards are made on shaky assumptions and without foundation.

I don't think it was particularly odd to assume you were giving your own opinion was it? I'm not sure why you bothered replying if not, as it offered nothing to the discussion if you were just quoting Wikipedia and remaining neutral.

 

[Chris O'Connor]

I don't think it was particularly odd to assume you were giving your own opinion was it? I'm not sure why you bothered replying if not, as it offered nothing to the discussion if you were just quoting Wikipedia and remaining neutral.

I looked up their ages I didn't quote, this is quite ridiculous, I'll put you on ignore.

 

[Lanolin]

I looked up their ages I didn't quote, this is quite ridiculous, I'll put you on ignore.

I'm not trying to be funny, i'm being serious. You responded to my innocuous comment that Hackett saying standards had declined under Riley was not overly surprising seeing as he was Riley's predecessor and so is basically just saying he was better than his successor with what appeared to be a counter argument. You're now complaining that I assumed you were the one putting forward that argument. How is that 'quite ridiculous'?

I'm sure if I can put up with your desperate attempts to write every post as if you're a serious journalist with an in-depth knowledge of all sports you can put up with me asking a question without putting me on ignore.

 

[hirons11]

In 100 years there will be robot refs with eyes in the back of their heads.

And they will still be c-rap

 

[Kenshin]

Taken from the BBC site

Liverpool's Roberto Firmino had a goal disallowed at Aston Villa for being marginally offside, Watford won a soft penalty against Chelsea and Everton were denied a spot-kick against Tottenham after a lengthy review, even though the ball struck the arm of Spurs' Dele Alli.

Notice the difference in tone there? Anyone?

Firminho was marginally offside being a controversial decision.

So he was offside then? That is VAR working! Especially next to us not getting a penality for a handball.

That's also the problem , bias. Was it a penality for us? Combined with slightly offside kopite fella as being questionable decisions.

 

[AdamEFC]

So a decision that was given by VAR has been overturned. Just get rid of it.