VAR

[brigadier]

It highlights the blatant bias we all knew existed , I'm still for it, last season mason would of given a pen against us Saturday, we are better off for it.

 

[toffeejack]

only just reading up about this handball stuff now. Why are the law makers so stupid? Why didn't they just do any handball, anywhere on the pitch, is a fouling offence. It can be a drop ball, in-direct free kick etc They keep making laws that seems so ill-judged. If a ball accidentally flicks a hand within the box the goal gets disallowed as a foul, but if a ball brushes an arm outside the edge of the box which turns out to be a through ball splitting the defence and leads to a goal, that's fine.

i'm not clued up on hockey, but every time a ball hit's a foot the play gets stopped right? Why didn't they just implement that? It would just wipe out all confusion and moaning again. Just like the offside rule USED to be clear-cut.

 

[JimmyK]

It’s actually the new handball rules that denied City not VAR as they were just following the rulebook.

The stoppage and the fact it might help the RS has me annoyed though.

I hate this argument. It's VAR that denied the goal because the referee wouldn't have blown up, it was only because we went to VAR that it was. Obviously VAR isn't actually a thing, it doesn't have a mind of it's own, all decisions will be because of the rules, the point is that things which used to be just sort of accepted as part of the game are now analysed in slow motion and decisions are changed because of it.

 

[PaulPowersTash]

I hate this argument. It's VAR that denied the goal because the referee wouldn't have blown up, it was only because we went to VAR that it was. Obviously VAR isn't actually a thing, it doesn't have a mind of it's own, all decisions will be because of the rules, the point is that things which used to be just sort of accepted as part of the game are now analysed in slow motion and decisions are changed because of it.

But VAR does have a mind of its own. It is the mind of the official in the control box making the decisions.
So VAR is still very much subjective in deciding what is reviewed and what isn't?
The potential penalty that was not given in the City v Spurs game is a classic.
Both sets of pundits on MOTD & MOTD2 seen it and called it.
The reporter in the Guardian seen it and called it
The reporter in the Daily mail seen it & called it.
Even Garth Crooks on the BBC seen it and called it!
But ref on the day didn't see it (or judge to be a foul) and the official in the control box
made a clear and conscious decision not to review it. So it is still totally subjective to what is reviewed or not.
It is also subjective just how far back they go in the move leading up to the goal?
For these reasons does not make the game any fairer and it certainly allows opportunity for bias to certain teams. I am still for VAR but not in its current state.

 

[JimmyK]

But VAR does have a mind of its own. It is the mind of the official in the control box making the decisions.
So VAR is still very much subjective in deciding what is reviewed and what isn't?
The potential penalty that was not given in the City v Spurs game is a classic.
Both sets of pundits on MOTD & MOTD2 seen it and called it.
The reporter in the Guardian seen it and called it
The reporter in the Daily mail seen it & called it.
Even Garth Crooks on the BBC seen it and called it!
But ref on the day didn't see it (or judge to be a foul) and the official in the control box
made a clear and conscious decision not to review it. So it is still totally subjective to what is reviewed or not.
It is also subjective just how far back they go in the move leading up to the goal?
For these reasons does not make the game any fairer and it certainly allows opportunity for bias to certain teams. I am still for VAR but not in its current state.

Yes but it's not 'VAR' that's making the decision, it's a person. We're agreeing with eachother really, my point is just that I hate it when people say 'it's not VAR's fault, it's the law', because the issue is that so much context is lost when you go to VAR, and the operator has to basically be a stickler for the law rather than seeing it with a human eye. I liked the idea of VAR, but after seeing it in practice over the last 12 months or so, I just don't think it works in football, and never will.

 

[arch stanton]

Still don't like it especially checking every goal for reasons to disallow it and pulling up marginal offside decisions. What happened to advantage to the attacker? Football is about goals not science or technology for me. It feels very anal and spoil sport to look for reasons to rule out goals on very marginal calls. The new handball rule is crap too as seen in the city game. Many of footballs rules are subjective. I hate how it tarnishes the goal scoring moment now and the jeering and spoil sport cheer of a Var ruling out a goal. It takes too long to pull it up too maybe they need to flash up var on the screen if there is doubt? Not leave it over two minutes then pull it back that ruins the moment.If we have to have it it should have been for clear and obvious errors only but It seems to be the refs are leaning on it heavily.

nail on the head there bro. It'd using technology for the sake of it, look how clever we are guys. look what we can do. It should only be available for a side to have one or two appeals to VAR per game, no more. None of the spuds players appealed for the 3rd city goal., Lloris laughed when it was disallowed. Utter farce and still open to abuse, but taking the spontaneity of celebrating goals away.

 

[Yarrgh]

I'm not overly impressed. But as long as it's applied fairly and consistently to everyone on every occasion then so be it.

I struggle to see how you could formalise how far back you went to see if there was an infringement that would rule out a goal. The any touch with a hand thing, I can understand as it makes policing the infringement much easier, but then you get obvious miscarriages of justice like City against Spurs this weekend.

Is there anywhere or any league or competitino with a longer history of VAR where you can see how it has settled down and isn't so new?

 

[kenada_blue]

I'm not overly impressed. But as long as it's applied fairly and consistently to everyone on every occasion then so be it.

I struggle to see how you could formalise how far back you went to see if there was an infringement that would rule out a goal. The any touch with a hand thing, I can understand as it makes policing the infringement much easier, but then you get obvious miscarriages of justice like City against Spurs this weekend.

Is there anywhere or any league or competitino with a longer history of VAR where you can see how it has settled down and isn't so new?

Bundesliga and La Liga are in the 3rd season of it.

 

[Yarrgh]

Bundesliga and La Liga are in the 3rd season of it.

Need to investigate!

 

[mrb85]

Despite all the moaning about VAR, it got a load of decisions correct.

That makes it sound like otherwise the refs would always have been wrong.

 

[mrb85]

They will have checked the penalty, just not felt it constituted a clear or obvious error. I disagree with that but it is ultimately a subjective call.

The disallowed goal is a black and white one -- the VAR showed it touched his arm, something none of the officials noticed, so it was turned over. The right decision according to the laws of the game (though the new handball rule is stupid and needs changing again in my opinion).

But bear in my mind that the ridiculous handball rule was only introduced to facilitate decision-making under VAR.

 

[mrb85]

Sky Tv is a business and Lfc is a major cash cow for them. You only have to look at the crowd at the mid week friendly in Istanbul there was a max of 10000 from Liverpool area there the rest are from all over the world.
I said before it was introduced that it will favour the lovables and I stand by that; City lost 2 points today that they would have got last year.
There only has to be a handful of decisions like today and they will win the title.
Of course I could be completely paranoid and similar match effecting decisions will go against the spawn of Satan but I doubt it and we will all see at the end of the season.

An absolute max that!

 

[Minimeister]

The media will only start shouting about how rubbish this is when it affects the RS. You can see it coming a mile off.

 

[mrb85]

Re the handball rule, why not amend it to be applied only if the unintentional handball was by the player who scored the goal?

 

[paultheblue]

An absolute max that!

Probably nearer 5000