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davek said:
My guess is that there will be a lot of political pressure to cut Usmanov out of the frame of British civic life. Same as with Abramovic. These people are an embarrassment in the soft war against Putin's Russia and there will not be any leg ups for them to the top of any football club. I believe wholeheartedly that Usmanov was pushed from Arsenal.
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Thanks Dave from wigan now back to you bill at liver buildings....
 
With all the Agencies turning the heating on Ussy, it's no wonder he's reverted to old fashioned 'information drops' at his local corner store.... It's the stuff of a good cold war pot-boiler
 

davek said:
Well, I think he's half right at least: Usmanov wont be shifting his cash in our direction.
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"Any deal would have to allow the 64-year old an element of personal influence over operations and management"

Is a very telling quote, meaning any deal to get such influence is likely to involve the purchase of a significant block of shares.

if he decides on investing in a club, and if he sees the premier league rather than serie a or elsewhere in Europe as the best place for a return, then he's likely to invest here in Everton.

In order to get personal influence over 'operations and management' and not end up with the 'Arsenal' situation of a minority shareholding but no influence, he will have to build a stake large enough to do so. A large investment is needed.

it may be that he takes a smaller stake at first, with an agreement with his friend Farhad to buy his later, or he may only take a minority holding. Either way he'll need that holding to be a majority stake in combination with his friend Farhad and large enough that not even Farhad can do anything without his agreement.

It seems naive of some to think this highly unlikely as his words seem to indicate its definitely one of the possibilities he's seriously looking at. If he invests he's not likely to do it in a small way. The only way that might happen is he decides against the premier league and decides to invest in a club in the bundesliga or serie a and only invests here through Farhad or their shared company.

The premier league though does seem to me where the riches are and the place where the foreign multi billionaire's and oil rich sheiks flock to.

I don't for one minute not respect the esk's knowledge on financial matters or think he isn't giving his best view on the current situation and likely future plans and prospects, but he is human and can like all of us get things wrong, or it works out quite differently.

There are not just geopolitical factors as you term them at work here, its the frustration of owning such a large shareholding in Arsenal with no prospect at all of any influence. Its this latter fact that's always been the primary motive.

I'm afraid the Usmanov situation has been widely speculated on by other commentators in the national and financial press, to dismiss the possibility of large investment here is just wrong imo as it is very possible and under consideration.
 
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davek said:
The FBI dont give a flying one about Brexit and its effects mate. Usmanov is going to be high on a hit list and the net is closing in on Trump.
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It’s easy to stir up Frustrations by picking scabs when there’s little tangible progress and positivity, but to keep trying that when there is an obvious plan and progress and positivity, and insinuate conspiracies to create anxiety just looks foolish.

There’s a few losing any credence they had in their opinions very quickly whilst peddling their narratives like this.

Is it an agenda to cause confusion, or just to wind people up? What a bizarre way to spend so much time.
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Chris O'Connor said:
"Any deal would have to allow the 64-year old an element of personal influence over operations and management"
Is a very telling quote, meaning any deal to get such influence is likely to involve the purchase of a significant block of shares.
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Or Moshiri takes up the option to get a controlling interest in the club then splits his share holding with Usmanov (similar to their Arsenal deal), thus giving them absolute power without the need to buy the remaining outstanding club shares (approx 30% ?).
 

Chris O'Connor said:
"Any deal would have to allow the 64-year old an element of personal influence over operations and management"

Is a very telling quote, meaning any deal to get such influence is likely to involve the purchase of a significant block of shares.

if he decides on investing in a club, and if he sees the premier league rather than serie a or elsewhere in Europe as the best place for a return, then he's likely to invest here in Everton.

In order to get personal influence over 'operations and management' and not end up with the 'Arsenal' situation of a minority shareholding but no influence, he will have to build a stake large enough to do so. A large investment is needed.

it may be that he takes a smaller stake at first, with an agreement with his friend Farhad to buy his later, or he may only take a minority holding. Either way he'll need that holding to be a majority stake in combination with his friend Farhad and large enough that not even Farhad can do anything without his agreement.

It seems naive of some to think this highly unlikely as his words seem to indicate its definitely one of the possibilities he's seriously looking at. If he invests he's not likely to do it in a small way. The only way that might happen is he decides against the premier league and decides to invest in a club in the bundesliga or serie a and only invests here through Farhad or their shared company.

The premier league though does seem to me where the riches are and the place where the foreign multi billionaire's and oil rich sheiks flock to.

I don't for one minute not respect the esk's knowledge on financial matters or think he isn't giving his best view on the current situation and likely future plans and prospects, but he is human and can like all of us get things wrong, or it works out quite differently.

There are not just geopolitical factors as you term them at work here, its the frustration of owning such a large shareholding in Arsenal with no prospect at all of any influence. Its this latter fact that's always been the primary motive.

I'm afraid the Usmanov situation has been widely speculated on by other commentators in the national and financial press, to dismiss the possibility of large investment here is just wrong imo as it is very possible and under consideration.
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But look at it in this basic way: if you're cap in hand for a large part of the stadium scheme to the public sector, do you get another billionaire (a real one this time) to buy into the club? It makes little sense just from that angle alone.

I feel sorry for those who have swallowed this fantasy hook line and sinker.
 
davek said:
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So I know that's Farhad, but who is the carpetbagger next to him? Usmanov before lunch with Allardyce?
 
James said:
How can anyone be pushed into selling shares in a company other than when that person is in some sort of financial difficulty (which for the record I don’t think Usmanov is...)?
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He's been ousted. Nothing surer. He was "in it for the family and long term" up until the heat came on him and the other Putin puppets. I think the burden of argument is at least equally on youand others to explain why he'd leave Arsenal.
 

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