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Soz to offend. But its actually quite interesting.
It is.

It thought the esk came across very well and posed the central question about how an endgame for Usmanov at Arsenal looks unlikely in relation to a shift to here. However, the German lad (Manu?) came forward with some interesting points that came out if his thesis regarding the way oligarchs structure their business empire and how they integrate football clubs wishin that model...something which places a huge question mark over just how independent "our" Moshiri really is (or, rather, can be).

Interesting stuff.
 

It is.

It thought the esk came across very well and posed the central question about how an endgame for Usmanov at Arsenal looks unlikely in relation to a shift to here. However, the German lad (Manu?) came forward with some interesting points that came out if his thesis regarding the way oligarchs structure their business empire and how they integrate football clubs wishin that model...something which places a huge question mark over just how independent "our" Moshiri really is (or, rather, can be).

Interesting stuff.

Thought he was a Russian!! Either way, he knew his onions all things Russian/football/takeovers.

And that was the point I found interesting. He basically said, like you allude to, that if there is a will, there is a way.
 
The general view seems to be Usmanov will never be an EFC shareholder but will collaborate with and support Moshiri.

It will be an accounting and legal challenge as much as anything else, to stay on the right side of the authorities in that scenario as to what constitutes "fair value" for sponsorship.

The shirt and FF deals are an improvement if not anything spectacular.

It will be interesting to see what else is in the pipeline, although they really need to make a mark with transfer spending this summer to give me renewed optimism that we can mount a credible Top 4 challenge.
 

Usmanov is 100% in charge already for me.

Hence I see no value in listening to somebody whos opinion is so far away from my own its unreal.

He's not in charge but definitely feeding Moshiri whatever funds we need. The stadium is looking more and more a possibility by the weeks. Someone from moshiri/Usmanov team has been travelling stadiums in Europe this week, getting ideas for our stadium.
 
It was a great podcast from the esk who articulated his point well as always. As people have said though it is his opinion and interpretation of information and I take a differing approach on a couple of points.

Primarily I think esk puts too much emphasis on someone coming in wanting to have control to buy shares. Lots of people would buy a minority stake in Arsenal currently. It will rise in value. It will require minimal investment or time to continue to run a tight ship. They are the biggest club in the capital city of the biggest sporting franchise. It is difficult but by no means impossible to find a buyer for shares.

As for Kroenke not buying them there is maybe something in it. I think Kroenke would buy them as the investment will grow.

His next point then hinges on why didn't Usmanov come first. That's reasonable enough. There are a lot of answers to this but none can close the question off. Maybe Usmanov was undecided? Maybe he wants to hedge his bets and see if Kroenke blinks? Maybe he feels Moshiri is a better frontman? Maybe it's as Esk says Moshiri is going it alone. Difficult to answer that but it's not without credible theories. Maybe Usmanov had more capital to purchase moshiris shares than vice versa?

I think the most credible answer for Usmanov not pumping money into us above board is what was being hinted at by the Russian experts on the podcast. Why does he need too? If he buys us FFP prevents him giving us 500 million even if he wants too. He can essentially arrange from lucrative sponsorship deals as a way of giving us cash. He is already able to do this while remaining on Arsenals board, keeping shares in a growing business so I don't see any massive incentive for him to go out of his way to sell shares in Arsenal.

Lots of itk guys spoke of Usmanov coming on board in the winter. I wonder if rather than him announcing he'd buy shares in Everton what was meant was he would be putting into Everton via sponsorship? This may well be the first of many interventions on his part.

As the other guys on the podcast said, in Russia it's not uncommon for front guys to manage a business but the serious money men to be in the background. Moshiris comments about "we do everything together" and sitting with him at Everton games just seem a bit coincidental to me.
Obviously they can't just come out and announce it but those words are telling and weren't really touched upon by the esk in the podcast. As I said it wouldn't be out of context for a multi billionaire like Usmanov to send in his billionaire employee to front the operation while he provides capital behind closed doors. He keeps a stake in arsenal, worse case scenario he has a stake in 2
Major franchises. It's an appealing option. He doesn't need to formally leave arsenal to help Everton.

The other important point of the podcast to me was that Everton look in a very positive boat. As many said this looks one of the best takeovers in recent years. You can't just whack 500 to spend at all.

However that's no bad thing. What we may see longer term is serious investment into our infrastructure to grow the club more organically. Sponsorship, expanding fan base, facilities, commercial activities, youth facilities and scouting are all being driven up. Whatever happens re Moshiri and Usmanov the club will look far healthier in 10 years than it is now.

I hope and expect most transfers Windows to be like the last. We will sign players, flex our muscle and look to satisfy the manager. At times we will spend more, gross and net than anyone else. It's not quite City or Chelsea level spending but hopefully the sort Spurs have engaged in where they build a team over a period and improve year on year.
I think the esk's wishes are that Moshiri should be respected, as he says, as "the name over the door". I dont think it's a moot point either. If we accept Moshiri as a discrete entity operating outside Usmanov's empire then the Everton takeover can be more manageable from an expectations angle - with everyone accepting Moshiri as a "limited billionaire" who has to box clever and compromise and do deals over the long term. If we see him as Usmanovs cats paw then the pressure builds for a speedy solution to our problems and success in the short term is agitated for.
 
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I think the esk's wishes are that Moshiri should be respected, as he says, as "the name over the door". I dont think it's a moot point either. If we accept Moshiri as a discrete entity operating outside Usmanov's empire then the Everton takeover can be more manageable form an expectations angle - with everyone accepting Moshiri as a "limited billionaire" who has to box clever and compromise and do deals over the long term. If we see him as Usmanovs cats paw then the pressure builds for a speedy solution to our problems and success in the short term is agitated for.

Irony.
 
think logically...

Usmanov gave moshiri the funds to buy into us initially. (buying out his arsenal stake)

for all we know, Usmanov just said to moshiri, 'were going nowhere here at arsenal with kroenke, heres the funds to go buy into the next biggest club in the prem, lets see where we can go from there'

we are 12 months in and almost have an iconic stadium announcement, a far better manager and an improving squad ready for further strengthening this summer...

we are a good looking bet in other words..
 
Thought he was a Russian!! Either way, he knew his onions all things Russian/football/takeovers.

And that was the point I found interesting. He basically said, like you allude to, that if there is a will, there is a way.
German I think.

He seemed convinced that there could be no Moshiri without Usmanov and that to think otherwise was outside of the usual way oligarchs did business. The interesting question surrounds whether Everton would get the dividend economically from this association or whether, with an increased stake in the English PL Usmanov is the obvious winner in terms of political capital the direct/indirect association with Arsenal/Everton gives him.
 

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