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ijjysmith said:
Mirallas was basically up top with Lukaku last night and it looked pretty decent to me.
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This. Loads. Play a similar formation to the RS last year with a holding dm (Barry) 2 cm (McCarthy & Ross) and nais behind Lukaku and Mirallas. Jib the wingers coz the ones we have are poo. Never gunna happen tho so il shut up :drunk:
 

When we play with only one defensive midfielder there is a real chance that as long as its a mobile player like McCarthy or Besic, our defence will tighten up.

Right now there are 5 or 6 players against 2 and they just assume someone else will pick them up, no one ever does... all season so far, we can have all our defence and mifield back, against a counter of two people and a pass will reach an unmarked attacker.

I think we have too much defensive cover, id happily go 2 up front, force the opponents to leave more back, give less confusion to our defence and have Lukaku and Etoo as strikers showing what they can really do.
 
I like the Lukaku / Naismith strike duo. Reckon it's the combo that will score the most.

Mirallas will get goals from the wing anyway so leave him there.

Oviedo can provide solidity on the other wing.

Barry, Besic, McCarthy and Barkley can duke it out for the 2 centre mid berths.
 

Groucho said:
Remember the good old days of two up front? The old 4-4-2? Does anyone think we'd have success with it?

The reason I bring this up is because we play with Baines and Coleman, who are essentially old fashioned "wing backs", who overlap with whichever relevant winger is in front of them. We should benefit from crosses in to the box a là Kanchelskis/Limpar/Ferguson for a recent example.

This style in my eyes lends itself well to having two strikers as there's an extra body to knock crosses in. Kone can hold the ball up, Lukaku is more than decent and together, coupled with mucho crosses, we'd be a real headache for sides.

Eg;

Robles

Baines
Jags
Stones
Coleman

Pienaar
Besic
McCarthy
Mirallas

Kone
Lukaku

Don't get hung up on my player selection, it's just an example of how I think this one up front lark may be holding us back now. I'm probably wrong.
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It would need a total change in philosophy from Martinez, the day's of playing 2 up front seem to be gone. I know City do it on most occasions, but they play 2 deep holding midfielders and usually the left back stays back all the time. I don't see the point in restricting Coleman or Baines. Going back to last night the only reason we saw 2 up top was we needed a goal, he just played 3 across midfield and let Mirallas and Lukaku stay up the top. I think attacking wise we need another winger with pace ideally, we saw glimpses last year what a winger with pace like Delefeuo can do.
 
If we had the legs with the central too (Besic and McCarthy) then it could work. Football may well have moved on from everyone playing the basic form of 4-4-2 but with two wide men and two men through the middle up top it gives our opposition plenty to worry about defensively and ties their own players up on defensive duties meaning they wont all be bombing on over-running our back six and two centre-mids.

Horses for courses of course and dependant upon the players we have at our disposal but didnt United dominate the 90s with two wide men out there every week (for Giggs and Kanchelskis think Oviedo and Pienaar?!) and any two of Cole/Yorke/Sheringham/Solskjaer through the middle (think Lukaku/Kone/Mcaleny/Eto!)

Maybe dont have the quality they had in that squad but they worked that system as well as any side over here has.
 

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