TTIP

[magicjuan]

With GMO, it's probably portrayed as a non-story because it is a non-story. I worked extensively within the environmental NGO community for several years, and whilst they have done some fine work, they made a clanger by their insistence on GMO being the work of the devil and unsafe. It isn't, and that's been proven by the vast numbers of people that have safely consumed it over the past 15 years.

The European Commission may be coming around to that point of view not because of coercion but because it's the scientific consensus.

Regarding the choice matter though, it probably depends. Within the UK grocery market there is a huge amount of choice already, and even in America you have companies like Whole Foods carving out a very large niche for themselves.

I can't imagine there being a scenario where every bit of food on our shelves is genetically modified, unless that is the overwhelmingly sensible thing for it to be, which given the continued growth of the human population that may well be the case in our lifetimes.

I've been in the food industry for 36 years, been involved with government healthy food initiatives designing criteria for content and labelling and saw how the reports were skewed.

It is cheaper to produce unhealthy foods and mass market them and we know the issues surrounding that that then put a higher cost further down the line.

Not every bit of food has to be GMO based for it to work, it prices people out of choosing healthier items for their children and themselves, basic housekeeping within a technological society and its demands.

There are plenty of documented research into Aspartame and Acasulfame K that show problems created from ingestion, we know it as Nutrasweet, it's addictive, try and find affordable juice without it being listed, usually prmoted by the term ' no added sugar' because sugar is portrayed as a demon now. But its not just in juices, it's in all kinds of stuff you wouldn't consider, hidden as a number E951 iirc

 

[orchard]

@Bruce Wayne check this vid. out regarding the legal mechanisms concerned and their effects:



We did quite well today, in general, the public (Conservative constituency), want to get rid. Only one person turned us down for a signature on 'political' grounds (as opposed to being 'too busy', etc.), and that's because he worked for Rolls Royce, ha!
Also, one person signed who had heard all about TTIP, but not via conventional media, but only from a West Ham forum, weird, but shows us something. Thanks @GrandOldTeam and @Dylan for entertaining, and helping

 

[WA Toffee]

I've been in the food industry for 36 years, been involved with government healthy food initiatives designing criteria for content and labelling and saw how the reports were skewed.

It is cheaper to produce unhealthy foods and mass market them and we know the issues surrounding that that then put a higher cost further down the line.

Not every bit of food has to be GMO based for it to work, it prices people out of choosing healthier items for their children and themselves, basic housekeeping within a technological society and its demands.

There are plenty of documented research into Aspartame and Acasulfame K that show problems created from ingestion, we know it as Nutrasweet, it's addictive, try and find affordable juice without it being listed, usually prmoted by the term ' no added sugar' because sugar is portrayed as a demon now. But its not just in juices, it's in all kinds of stuff you wouldn't consider, hidden as a number E951 iirc

I'm in the food industry too, although I only have 25 years.
Care to point me towards some peer reviewed research which shows that aspartame is bad for you?
Perhaps you could also explain to the estimated 2 million people who will die in the next year from VAD why golden rice is a bad thing?

 

[magicjuan]

I'm in the food industry too, although I only have 25 years.
Care to point me towards some peer reviewed research which shows that aspartame is bad for you?
Perhaps you could also explain to the estimated 2 million people who will die in the next year from VAD why golden rice is a bad thing?

Go look yourself, it isnt hidden, last one was done last year in Italy iirc.

Are you referring to vit A deficiency? Why dont you tell me? I'm all ears, but heading off on a long journey so prob won't reply for a while. Enjoy your day.

 

[WA Toffee]

Go look yourself, it isnt hidden, last one was done last year in Italy iirc.

Are you referring to vit A deficiency? Why dont you tell me? I'm all ears, but heading off on a long journey so prob won't reply for a while. Enjoy your day.

Pretty much what I thought.

Have a good trip.

 

[magicjuan]

Pretty much what I thought.

Have a good trip.

Them you haven't been disappointed. Good fishing. Onwards MacDuff...

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

I'm in the food industry too, although I only have 25 years.
Care to point me towards some peer reviewed research which shows that aspartame is bad for you?
Perhaps you could also explain to the estimated 2 million people who will die in the next year from VAD why golden rice is a bad thing?

Do you sell those snakes you catch to the chinese or summit?

 

[magicjuan]

http://www.theecologist.org/News/ne...al_leaked_tpp_text_is_all_that_we_feared.html

it's all falling into place, not for us btw...

 

[orchard]

The only positive I can take from this is at least not everyone with access is corrupt, hence the leak.
Special thanks to the bbc for its journalistic integrity, and putting its 'customers' before its own Corporate agenda.

 

[gaino92]

Is this banned in Europe?

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

It would take power away from nation states and give it to corporations. Which perhaps they are in favour of, since they despise nation states. I'm not sure what the Beurcrats gain, however I definitely do not trust them.

Here's the European commission;



Here is Barroso proud of being voted for in secret;

Just one thing about that clip.....


Why does farage put his headphones on, when barroso is speaking english anyway?

 

[SNova]

Just one thing about that clip.....


Why does farage put his headphones on, when barroso is speaking english anyway?

Not sure. lol

 

[jal123]

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Is this banned in Europe?

Jesus Christ what sort of backward Neanderthal country is that from? I wouldn't feed that to my dog.

 

[Clint Planet]

A copy of Life and Debt is currently availabe on the Tube of You.



I strongly urge anyone interested in TTIP - whatever positions you hold - to watch it.

 

[bignev23]

Jesus Christ what sort of backward Neanderthal country is that from? I wouldn't feed that to my dog.

Chicken in a can, good ole U.S of A. Somebody posted it in the American Food Thread.

I find it a bit difficult to read some of the information on this as it seems to be worded very legally for want of a better word but from what I can understand it's capitalism gone mad. I certainly know I'm uncomfortable with it at the very least and would definitely vote against it had I a chance.