TTIP

Groucho · February 6, 2015

the esk said:
Correct and that makes it even worse.

Go and look at the resolution mechamism in the case of dispute and you will be shocked.

This deal would supercede both UK and EU law and in the case of dispute would be resolved in a completely unaccountable Washington based tribunal.

Then look up the record of the tribunals and see how frequently they find favour with US corporations.

Then look up the value of the claims awarded in favour of US corporates and compare that to claims awarded against.

It's that bit that makes me want the NHS exempted from this.

orchard · February 6, 2015

Groucho said:
It's that bit that makes me want the NHS exempted from this.

It's a lot bigger than the NHS like.

rascal · February 6, 2015

Sorry to sound like one of those lilly white liberal types but there's absolutely nothing positive about it from a humanistic point of view.

Clint Planet · February 6, 2015

magicjuan said:
http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/article...chicken-from-america-inspires-dread-in-europe

Why the hell, in any sane world, would anyone be welcoming dead animals from another continent when the continent you're living in can easily supply them?

Oh, that's right - in the name of Capitalism. Oh, sorry - Competition. Whatever that is.

Groucho · February 6, 2015

orchard said:
It's a lot bigger than the NHS like.

Yes, that's why I'd like it exempted.

bizzaro · February 6, 2015

the esk said:
Correct and that makes it even worse.

Go and look at the resolution mechamism in the case of dispute and you will be shocked.

This deal would supercede both UK and EU law and in the case of dispute would be resolved in a completely unaccountable Washington based tribunal.

Then look up the record of the tribunals and see how frequently they find favour with US corporations.

Then look up the value of the claims awarded in favour of US corporates and compare that to claims awarded against.

But its a trade deal. It cannot affect EU safety or environmental law.

The Equaliser · February 6, 2015

Sounds like a conspiratorial plot to unseat the manager by someone with a TTIPy lip to me

The eerie music gives it away.

Bad plotters the EU.

bizzaro · February 6, 2015

There is so much hysterics in this thread.

Wiped up by lobby groups.

TTIP hasn't even been finalised and people think that the Europe bureaucrats and member state officials doing the negotiations are incompetent when they're not.

bizzaro · February 6, 2015

This article shows what utter hysteria has been peddled on TTIP.

http://www.euractiv.com/sections/tr...oing-change-its-food-legislation-because-ttip

CALM DOWN LADS FFS

Ignacio Garcia Bercero is a Director in DG Trade of the European Commission. Since 2012, he has been responsible for overseeing EC activities in the fields of Neighbouring Countries, US and Canada as well as being the Chief Negotiator for the EU- India FTA. He coordinated the work of the EU-US High Level Working Group on Growth and Jobs, which recommended the launch of TTIP negotiations.

He was speaking to EurActiv Czech Republic’s Publisher Jan Vitásek ....

You talk about the United States, but in the EU, the public is is much more concerned.

It is quite paradoxical. Our negotiations with Japan, Vietnam, or India have attracted very little public attention whereas negotiations with the USA immediately raised all concerns and anxieties that are not present in other cases.

Maybe it has simply to do with the fact that our relations with the USA have always been very emotional. They usually attract much more attention than any other type of relationships and when we negotiate a trade agreement, inevitably, there is also a much greater degree of public attention than in other trade negotiations.

So we are actually having a public debate on a trade agreement – a thing we have never had in any other case. It is a challenge, but that is what the democracy is about.

Naiskill · February 6, 2015

When i first heard about this months ago, i went from Pro-EU to Eurosceptic very quickly.

Groucho · February 6, 2015

bizzaro · February 6, 2015

Naiskill said:
When i first heard about this, i went from Pro-EU to Eurosceptic very quickly.

The Conservatives and UKIP would if they had their own trade deal would do a bodge job. Labour and others not much better

European laws protect health and the environment far more than those two parties would have.

European trade laws are one set throughout all 29 member states + EEA states.

The UK has provided views already.

TTIP has still got 2 years of negotiations to go!

Anyone thinking it will impact EU safety laws is delusional.

They're looking to harmonise.

USA will end up adopting our law or equivalent. In some cases for safety. EU laws are better.

They know this. It'll cut costs when we agree harmonisation through TTIP

Work to common safety standards

The Equaliser · February 6, 2015

bizzaro said:
There is so much hysterics in this thread.

Wiped up by lobby groups.

TTIP hasn't even been finalised and people think that the Europe bureaucrats and member state officials doing the negotiations are incompetent when they're not.

LOL at least they're not Villa.