Todd Boehly. A man...who wants an all-star game.

[TheBigIguana]

Yeah because you seem to be unable to understand.

There's 0 desire for an ASG. 0 chance to schedule it in the UK, where breaks don't happen (unless, apparently, dirty money schedule a WC mid-season), and games happen once or several times a week already.

What is your suggestion to this being viable and watchable? People don't watch the community shield ffs lol

Why does it have to be in the UK?

 

[roydo]

I don't agree, based upon his comments. He's going with a metrics-based approach and wants to grow revenue in part by importing ideas from American sports. The former did not work out well for FSG, in part because (IIRC) they failed to account for the fact that not every player can take their penalties when selecting their initial player recruitment targets.

I doubt Boehly is likely to replicate that particular mistake, but looking at their overpays this summer they seem to be making a lot of the same mistakes FSG did at the outset. The basic problem with the club's current thinking, IMO, is that there's no recognition of the fact that there is effectively a salary cap. Baseball doesn't have one. The other issue that I see is that there isn't recognition of the fact that albatross deals can't easily be moved off the books. That's less of a problem in baseball, where you can spend whatever you want in order to produce success, than it is in footy.


That much is pretty obvious to me. I'm a fairly disinterested observer, as compared to my ties to, say, my university's sports teams. My sense is that your experience is a lot more like that than my experience with respect to footy.

I had no idea US college sport was followed so closely and widely till recently. I guess if you attach yourself to your old college, or one in your city, or the one your Dad went to, then yeah, thats similar.

If you attach yourself to the most successful one, then no, its not. (I think you now that though).

 

[TheBigIguana]

I had no idea US college sport was followed so closely and widely till recently. I guess if you attach yourself to your old college, or one in your city, or the one your Dad went to, then yeah, thats similar.

If you attach yourself to the most successful one, then no, its not. (I think you now that though).

Literally exactly how it works for more or less every fan of every sport in this country. The exception being the NBA where people just follow the awesome players because that's just how basketball works, it's a very individual sport.

We have more in common than you think.

 

[roydo]

Literally exactly how it works for more or less every fan of every sport in this country. The exception being the NBA where people just follow the awesome players because that's just how basketball works, it's a very individual sport.

We have more in common than you think.

Never said we have nothing in common. Its sound that it works that way.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Why does it have to be in the UK?

An ASG involving English teams being outside the UK...?

Why isn't the NBA ASG somewhere outside the US?

 

[Martin Alvito]

I had no idea US college sport was followed so closely and widely till recently. I guess if you attach yourself to your old college, or one in your city, or the one your Dad went to, then yeah, thats similar.

If you attach yourself to the most successful one, then no, its not. (I think you now that though).

Right, I'm attached to the one I attended, and the one the rest of my family attended. One loyalty is stronger than the other. Both are unbreakable.

As to the point @TheBigIguana raised, I would agree that Americans attach themselves to various professional teams in much the way that the English do with respect to football clubs. I'm just not about to confuse my own attachment to this club, which I picked up midlife, with that sort of attachment.

I'm not a baseball fan the way, say, Cardinals and Cubs fans are. English football fans that grew up with footy seem to broadly be fans of that nature. Woe betide the baseball fan that thinks they can talk baseball with a grade-school teacher or a factory worker in St. Louis. Those people know exactly what is going on with the club, and can hand you a list of prospects and what the club should pay for them the way the most hardcore transfer thread denizens can.

 

[TheBigIguana]

An ASG involving English teams being outside the UK...?

Why isn't the NBA ASG somewhere outside the US?

Because people go when it is in the US. I think the difference is if you're a football fan you get to see everyone in person every year. KdB will play at Goodison, Ronaldo will, Salah will, you get to see them all. American sports make that harder. I mean the origin of the all star events was that the AL and NL literally played 0 games against each other aside from the World Series so it actually did make a lot of sense at that point. It was your chance to see guys from the other league in person. The reason it isn't the event it once was as now between TV and the internet and changes to the schedule everyone sees everyone they want to whenever.

The reason it stays somewhat viable here is because it is an event. That goes away in the UK because everyone who wants to go to Wembley can go every year and then everyone is done with it. Kind of different when it goes from Cleveland to Denver. So that's why, despite the dwindling interest it is still an event that hits your city once a generation and so people go. I'd go and I don't watch them on TV. The PL at Wembley each year doesn't have that event status I don't think.

I don't think the PL can do it in the UK, but as a once a year traveling showpiece it would do amazing.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Because people go when it is in the US. I think the difference is if you're a football fan you get to see everyone in person every year. KdB will play at Goodison, Ronaldo will, Salah will, you get to see them all. American sports make that harder. I mean the origin of the all star events was that the AL and NL literally played 0 games against each other aside from the World Series so it actually did make a lot of sense at that point. It was your chance to see guys from the other league in person. The reason it isn't the event it once was as now between TV and the internet and changes to the schedule everyone sees everyone they want to whenever.

The reason it stays somewhat viable here is because it is an event. That goes away in the UK because everyone who wants to go to Wembley can go every year and then everyone is done with it. Kind of different when it goes from Cleveland to Denver. So that's why, despite the dwindling interest it is still an event that hits your city once a generation and so people go. I'd go and I don't watch them on TV. The PL at Wembley each year doesn't have that event status I don't think.

I don't think the PL can do it in the UK, but as a once a year traveling showpiece it would do amazing.

So basically, the charity shield in a different country.

The thing with that is that Wembley is reserved for special occasions, like a cup final, which isn't the case in most (all?) US sports. And the culture is different, and there is no huge interest in "let's get Ronaldo and Tom Davies in the same team".

As I said, who is interested in this here. Do a poll, this site is mostly British/European - no one really cares much for this type of showmatch.

And, again, this will mean we watch even more RS filled match - might as well watch England, which is something a lot of people don't want to do either lol

 

[roydo]

KdB will play at Goodison, Ronaldo will, Salah will, you get to see them all.

No one goes to a match to see a player mate. Well, there may be some I guess. Sure, lower league clubs get decent crowds if they draw a PL team in a cup, but if Sutton United drew Everton at home, their gate would be to see a big club/upset, not Jordan Pickford.

The only time I can remember was when Maradonna played at Wembley in some, ironically, ASG, not long after the 86 WC, and all that happened there.

 

[DualityNSNO]

No one goes to a match to see a player mate. Well, there may be some I guess. Sure, lower league clubs get decent crowds if they draw a PL team in a cup, but if Sutton United drew Everton at home, their gate would be to see a big club/upset, not Jordan Pickford.

The only time I can remember was when Maradonna played at Wembley in some, ironically, ASG, not long after the 86 WC, and all that happened there.

I went to Bulgaria - England to see Jordan Pickford and was right behind him for an entire half (though, mostly went to see us getting ran over, and the tickets were cheap).

He had 0 shots against him and could've just not played in that entire half. FFS.

 

[TheBigIguana]

So basically, the charity shield in a different country.

The thing with that is that Wembley is reserved for special occasions, like a cup final, which isn't the case in most (all?) US sports. And the culture is different, and there is no huge interest in "let's get Ronaldo and Tom Davies in the same team".

As I said, who is interested in this here. Do a poll, this site is mostly British/European - no one really cares much for this type of showmatch.

And, again, this will mean we watch even more RS filled match - might as well watch England, which is something a lot of people don't want to do either lol

Yes the charity shield in a different country.

And no one wants to see Ronaldo play with Tom Davies the same as LeBron wouldn't be on an all star team with Bruce Brown. They will pick the good players.

You're missing my point where I'm telling you that no one is interested in it there but that doesn't matter, unfortunately for you all the fans abroad count now and they are going to try and find ways to include them beyond summer friendlies which btw draw huge over here and would never do so in the UK.

 

[TheBigIguana]

No one goes to a match to see a player mate. Well, there may be some I guess. Sure, lower league clubs get decent crowds if they draw a PL team in a cup, but if Sutton United drew Everton at home, their gate would be to see a big club/upset, not Jordan Pickford.

The only time I can remember was when Maradonna played at Wembley in some, ironically, ASG, not long after the 86 WC, and all that happened there.

I know that, what I'm saying is you don't do it because you don't have to. It happens organically.

What you've said about the lower league clubs is what I mean, you can define it as being about the club visiting but the draw is ultimately that the club is good at football and so the players are important in that equation. I reckon if you told Sutton we were putting out the u21s they'd not show up the same.

 

[Martin Alvito]

Because people go when it is in the US. I think the difference is if you're a football fan you get to see everyone in person every year. KdB will play at Goodison, Ronaldo will, Salah will, you get to see them all. American sports make that harder. I mean the origin of the all star events was that the AL and NL literally played 0 games against each other aside from the World Series so it actually did make a lot of sense at that point. It was your chance to see guys from the other league in person. The reason it isn't the event it once was as now between TV and the internet and changes to the schedule everyone sees everyone they want to whenever.

The reason it stays somewhat viable here is because it is an event. That goes away in the UK because everyone who wants to go to Wembley can go every year and then everyone is done with it. Kind of different when it goes from Cleveland to Denver. So that's why, despite the dwindling interest it is still an event that hits your city once a generation and so people go. I'd go and I don't watch them on TV. The PL at Wembley each year doesn't have that event status I don't think.

I don't think the PL can do it in the UK, but as a once a year traveling showpiece it would do amazing.

It could work as a summer 'silly season' event, if it were moved around as you suggest. Getting clubs to agree to release players to it would be a substantial problem. The issue is that such a game faces much the same set of problems as the Pro Bowl, where the teams in the Super Bowl get their players excused and everyone else is trying to find a way to dodge having to play a meaningless game without meaningful compensation. (Other than Sean Taylor, given that clip of him absolutely blowing somebody else up in the Pro Bowl that was posted earlier in the thread.)

Thinking that clubs will release their players to a game they don't profit by seems naive at best to me. Sure, the league could raise some money for the pyramid that way, but it's hard to see Spurs agreeing to risk their CL qualification chances or City risking their shot at raising the big trophy for the benefit of other clubs. I have a hard time seeing where Boehly would get the other thirteen votes from.

No one goes to a match to see a player mate. Well, there may be some I guess. Sure, lower league clubs get decent crowds if they draw a PL team in a cup, but if Sutton United drew Everton at home, their gate would be to see a big club/upset, not Jordan Pickford.

The only time I can remember was when Maradonna played at Wembley in some, ironically, ASG, not long after the 86 WC, and all that happened there.

It's fair to say that foreigners do this, and the reason is that we don't otherwise get to see them in person. I took the kids to see an exhibition between the RS and Roma a few years back simply because those opportunities don't roll around at reasonable cost (ie: not a full overnight trip) very often, and ended up bowled over by Salah (this was at the start of his Roma season). If they turned up around here again, I would probably take the kids again.

 

[TheBigIguana]

It could work as a summer 'silly season' event, if it were moved around as you suggest. Getting clubs to agree to release players to it would be a substantial problem. The issue is that such a game faces much the same set of problems as the Pro Bowl, where the teams in the Super Bowl get their players excused and everyone else is trying to find a way to dodge having to play a meaningless game without meaningful compensation. (Other than Sean Taylor, given that clip of him absolutely blowing somebody else up in the Pro Bowl that was posted earlier in the thread.)

Thinking that clubs will release their players to a game they don't profit by seems naive at best to me. Sure, the league could raise some money for the pyramid that way, but it's hard to see Spurs agreeing to risk their CL qualification chances or City risking their shot at raising the big trophy for the benefit of other clubs. I have a hard time seeing where Boehly would get the other thirteen votes from.


It's fair to say that foreigners do this, and the reason is that we don't otherwise get to see them in person. I took the kids to see an exhibition between the RS and Roma a few years back simply because those opportunities don't roll around at reasonable cost (ie: not a full overnight trip) very often, and ended up bowled over by Salah (this was at the start of his Roma season). If they turned up around here again, I would probably take the kids again.

I think the players would give a good 45 minutes effort. The MLS all star game does ok on that level. It'd be more like the NBA All Star game which is not exactly NBA basketball but close enough to be entertaining. You can play full speed and not take devastating hits like in the NFL.

 

[roydo]

Yes the charity shield in a different country.

And no one wants to see Ronaldo play with Tom Davies the same as LeBron wouldn't be on an all star team with Bruce Brown. They will pick the good players.

You're missing my point where I'm telling you that no one is interested in it there but that doesn't matter, unfortunately for you all the fans abroad count now and they are going to try and find ways to include them beyond summer friendlies which btw draw huge over here and would never do so in the UK.

Blimey. I actually agree with every word.

No idea if the NFL, (Merican Football?) have pre season friendlies, but when they play games in London, tickets fly off the shelf. No matter which teams. I guess thats similar, cos even if it was a pre season, the tickets would sell just as well.