The squad - pre Martinez

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jinkyali

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I keep seeing the theme that the squad Martinez inherited was unbelievele and full of talent and that no other manager would ever take over a squad as good whilst at Everton.
I for one disagree completely.

I think the squad he was left was aging and unbalanced with players either having loads of game time or none. Its below for reference as of the end of the season 2012/13 with the players age at the time of departure also included.

J. Mucha 30
T. Howard 33

T. Hibbert 31 L. Baines 29 J. Heitinga 29 P. Jagielka 30
B. Oviedo 22 S. Distin 35 S. Coleman 24 J. Stones 18 S. Duffy 20
T. Browning 18

D. Gibson 26 T. Hitzlsperger 30 P. Neville 35 R. Barkley 19 L. Osman 31
S. Pienaar 30 M. Fellaini 25 Francisco Junior 20 M. Kennedy 18

N. Jelavić 27 K. Mirallas 25 S. Naismith 26 M. Gueye 22 A. Vellios 21
V. Anichebe 24

1 -Aging

If you look at the squad above, 11 out of 28 are 27 or over. Of these eleven, all of them bar Jan Mucha were regulars in the premiership.

2 - Unbalanced

Looking at the squad, there is a severe lack of depth in any positions as well as quality up top or in midfield. Moyes built his game on not conceding goals and that was where the quality lay. Martinez has had to change the whole attitude and sypnosis of the team from not losing to trying to win. This isnt a quick fix.
Look at that forward line up and midfield; there is zero depth. Out of the 15 names, only Jelavic, Gibson and Pienaar played their natural position. Other regulars i.e. Mirallas, Naismith, Neville, Osman, Fellaini - they all played where they had to. Jack of all trades, masters of none.
Look at the others in the squad; the young lads. Just how many appearances did the likes of Stones, Duffy, Vellios, Gueye, Kennedy, Browning all play under Moyes? 10 max I imagine in total.

Martinez has had to replace these in the squad with better quality; I name the likes now of Oviedo, Garbutt, Etoo, Osman, Kone, Pienaar, Alcaraz (Distin), Robles, Gibson as our back up now. Whilst he has been able to spend more, he has had to spend it on a wider scale building up a squad.

Some of them would have either been regulars under Moyes or are new into the club. The squad was so imbalanced in that you either played or you didnt; it wasnt a 20 man squad as it is now under Martinez. Your first eleven played and you would be lucky if you got a game after that.

Martinez has had to grow the squad and has infintely improved it quality wise as well as depth.

You cant argue that McCarthy, Lukaku, Besic, Barry and the young lads who have come on under Martinez in Barkley and Stones haven't improved the squad. Its immeasurably better in my opinion.

Imagine who would have been playing now if we had the injury crisis we have had this year under Moyes.

The argument Martinez was left a great squad is completely flawed in my opinion and as you can see now, it needs ripping up completely as the great squad he was left was in fact an aging, imbalanced, inexperienced SQUAD with only a core of experienced players playing regularly and even then, they were jack of all trades, masters of none.
 

I keep seeing the theme that the squad Martinez inherited was unbelievele and full of talent and that no other manager would ever take over a squad as good whilst at Everton.
I for one disagree completely.

I think the squad he was left was aging and unbalanced with players either having loads of game time or none. Its below for reference as of the end of the season 2012/13 with the players age at the time of departure also included.

J. Mucha 30
T. Howard 33

T. Hibbert 31 L. Baines 29 J. Heitinga 29 P. Jagielka 30
B. Oviedo 22 S. Distin 35 S. Coleman 24 J. Stones 18 S. Duffy 20
T. Browning 18

D. Gibson 26 T. Hitzlsperger 30 P. Neville 35 R. Barkley 19 L. Osman 31
S. Pienaar 30 M. Fellaini 25 Francisco Junior 20 M. Kennedy 18

N. Jelavić 27 K. Mirallas 25 S. Naismith 26 M. Gueye 22 A. Vellios 21
V. Anichebe 24

1 -Aging

If you look at the squad above, 11 out of 28 are 27 or over. Of these eleven, all of them bar Jan Mucha were regulars in the premiership.

2 - Unbalanced

Looking at the squad, there is a severe lack of depth in any positions as well as quality up top or in midfield. Moyes built his game on not conceding goals and that was where the quality lay. Martinez has had to change the whole attitude and sypnosis of the team from not losing to trying to win. This isnt a quick fix.
Look at that forward line up and midfield; there is zero depth. Out of the 15 names, only Jelavic, Gibson and Pienaar played their natural position. Other regulars i.e. Mirallas, Naismith, Neville, Osman, Fellaini - they all played where they had to. Jack of all trades, masters of none.
Look at the others in the squad; the young lads. Just how many appearances did the likes of Stones, Duffy, Vellios, Gueye, Kennedy, Browning all play under Moyes? 10 max I imagine in total.

Martinez has had to replace these in the squad with better quality; I name the likes now of Oviedo, Garbutt, Etoo, Osman, Kone, Pienaar, Alcaraz (Distin), Robles, Gibson as our back up now. Whilst he has been able to spend more, he has had to spend it on a wider scale building up a squad.

Some of them would have either been regulars under Moyes or are new into the club. The squad was so imbalanced in that you either played or you didnt; it wasnt a 20 man squad as it is now under Martinez. Your first eleven played and you would be lucky if you got a game after that.

Martinez has had to grow the squad and has infintely improved it quality wise as well as depth.

You cant argue that McCarthy, Lukaku, Besic, Barry and the young lads who have come on under Martinez in Barkley and Stones haven't improved the squad. Its immeasurably better in my opinion.

Imagine who would have been playing now if we had the injury crisis we have had this year under Moyes.

The argument Martinez was left a great squad is completely flawed in my opinion and as you can see now, it needs ripping up completely as the great squad he was left was in fact an aging, imbalanced, inexperienced SQUAD with only a core of experienced players playing regularly and even then, they were jack of all trades, masters of none.

Yep I seem to remember quite a lot of us were saying Martinez was going to have a tough job of getting the age of the side down and bringing in younger players. He brought in Lukaku, McCarthy, Robles and Gerry for youth, and brought in Alcaraz and Barry for experience whilst shifting out Anichebe and Fellaini and then Jelavic in the January. He also brought through Stones and Barkley again lowering the average age down and this season we've seen Garbutt and the likes of Browning
 
Lol remember when anichebe and Jelavic were our strikers.


And people complaining about Ross on the wing, remember when chebes was played as a winger
 

A lot depends on how good these 5 players are and how fast they can develop;

Griffiths
Browning
Kenny
Galloway
Ledson
 
Great post mate. It's funny how it's forgotten now that most people in the final months of the Moyes era were pointing at the average age of the squad and highlighting it as a ticking timebomb. That's why it was pathetic a few weeks ago when Martinez was getting a bit of stick over having a lot of 30+ starters in the line up - a problem largely inherited apart from Kone and Barry.

And as you correctly identify the real improvement in this current squad is the amount of realistic first teamers there are now. Under Moyes it was a core of, say, 15/16 players who could realistically be seen as in contention for a start.
 
It still amazes me that we managed to get the best part of £12 million for Anichebe and Jelavic. Say what you like about the club, but bar perhaps Dan Gosling, we've always secured some great fees for players we've moved on over the years.
 

It still amazes me that we managed to get the best part of £12 million for Anichebe and Jelavic. Say what you like about the club, but bar perhaps Dan Gosling, we've always secured some great fees for players we've moved on over the years.

Yep totally agree. The only 2 where I felt we got bang average fees were for Bily ( though he was worth maybe 50p and Yakubu ( could have took 6m from West Ham at one point if memory serves me right ). But we got 4.5m for Mcfadden as well which was a deal ;)
 
Yep totally agree. The only 2 where I felt we got bang average fees were for Bily ( though he was worth maybe 50p and Yakubu ( could have took 6m from West Ham at one point if memory serves me right ). But we got 4.5m for Mcfadden as well which was a deal ;)

The 12 million acquired for the human question mark that is Jack Rodwell was quite the epic popcorn moment by the board and all.
 
Didnt we get a bundle for AJ as well? Not that he wasnt a good player, but with hindsight, he has hardly played since.
 
The 12 million acquired for the human question mark that is Jack Rodwell was quite the epic popcorn moment by the board and all.

Excellent shout mate, got us Mirallas as well that cash!! Didn't we get 10.8m for Andy Johnson which I thought was insane as he was in a crap run of form at the time. Thought that was decent business. Plus we got a few mill for Jermaine Beckford as well didn't we?
 

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