The point of no return

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The Penalty Box Dancer

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Stoke City and West Brom have both been relegated with a game still left to play and these 2 sides have been knocking around mid-table most of their Premiership lives. Stoke boasting some top half finishes as well. At the start of the season I would not have said they would be relegated as their squad does have some quality to it. Given the massive loss of Arnautovic to West Ham, I still thought they'd be knocking around mid-table come May 2018.

It reminds me of how we are now. We are safe from the bottom three and are averaging out some mid-table finishes. We are a long way off the top 6 as it will take a complete squad overhaul and a slice of luck to get it right. If we try and compare ourselves to Spurs I think we are way off because they got lucky with Alli and Kane in the same generation. They do have some top class players and a club that is run correctly. We are opposite to that and the Moshiri project in my eyes has run out of steam. The plan is to build a new stadium and increase the club's brand, isn't that what West Ham done? Look at how successful they are since doing so. (Sarcasm)

I don't buy into this lack of strategy direction we are currently under as it seems we are basically peeing in the wind and hoping to buy our way out of trouble. This strategy is not working nor is it going to ever work. If we turn our attention to the change of manager scenario, who wants to come here? Is money the incentive? Kenwright or Moshiri lack football intelligence and their recent appointments explain this:

Martinez: He won the cup and went down, he gave us one great season and almost took us the same way as Wigan.

Koeman: He never got the club and achieved a 7th place finish, the football wasn't fancy and nobody knew what he wanted to achieve.

Unsworth: the board were nearly persuaded

Marco Silva: Offered him massive money and it turned out he cannot manage under pressure.

Sam Allardyce: exactly, it was a shocking appointment made in a panic by people who don't understand football.

Who is next? It all reeks to me, we are a club in desperation, throwing money around with no strategy hoping to get it right. People think we build a stadium and automatically break into the top 6.

Have we joined the manager merry go round like the teams who have bit the bullet and died? If people think a few signings here and a few players sold will fix this are wrong. It's more than what you see on the pitch, it's the leading off the pitch where the problem lies and we will sleepwalk into a deadly situation.

In the future, I don't see a rosy garden, I see a garden that is cluttered and overgrown that will get to the point were it becomes unsaveable.

I think we might even be past the point of no return.
 

...I you feel you are repeating yourself with a response it suggests this stuff is being discussed on lots of other threads. I think this is a phase other clubs have gone through before reaching stability and a measure of success, including the Reds, Spurs and Man City. It’s mostly about finding the right manager/DoF combination.
 
Stokes summer recruitment was worse than ours going off what Jack Butland said. Spurs bought Deli Alli from MK Dons when we bought Brendan Galloway, they weren't lucky he was spotted.

Hopefully if Brands comes in that is where having some direction will fall into place with whoever is manager.

Looking at the League this year there won't be at least 3 teams who are not worse than us at the very least, we finished 8th with having a nightmare season, a good summer and we can get back on track with any luck. depends on what happens next week regarding Allardyce and if Brands comes in( and then even if he fits the role and had to do better than walsh).
 
...I you feel you are repeating yourself with a response it suggests this stuff is being discussed on lots of other threads. I think this is a phase other clubs have gone through before reaching stability and a measure of success, including the Reds, Spurs and Man City. It’s mostly about finding the right manager/DoF combination.

This is exactly my point, sleepwalking. You are using the best teams in Europe as a comparison. We are closer to Stoke and West Brom than we are to Liverpool and Man City.

I don't think anything can be done now to change our fate. The top 6 will get further away and we will be that mid-table team with the occasional flirt with relegation.
 
Stokes summer recruitment was worse than ours going off what Jack Butland said. Spurs bought Deli Alli from MK Dons when we bought Brendan Galloway, they weren't lucky he was spotted.

Hopefully if Brands comes in that is where having some direction will fall into place with whoever is manager.

Looking at the League this year there won't be at least 3 teams who are not worse than us at the very least, we finished 8th with having a nightmare season, a good summer and we can get back on track with any luck. depends on what happens next week regarding Allardyce and if Brands comes in( and then even if he fits the role and had to do better than walsh).

Ah rigbt I remember now, he played for MK Dons.
 

Spurs went through a phase of hiring and firing managers and selling their best players. They now have a settled manager and team that can compete with the top teams in the Prem.
 

Stokes summer recruitment was worse than ours going off what Jack Butland said. Spurs bought Deli Alli from MK Dons when we bought Brendan Galloway, they weren't lucky he was spotted.

Hopefully if Brands comes in that is where having some direction will fall into place with whoever is manager.

Looking at the League this year there won't be at least 3 teams who are not worse than us at the very least, we finished 8th with having a nightmare season, a good summer and we can get back on track with any luck. depends on what happens next week regarding Allardyce and if Brands comes in( and then even if he fits the role and had to do better than walsh).
As regards Ali. It isn't just spotting the players thats important (although it undoubtedly is) it's also having a manager with the cajules to play him in the premier and also the coaching ability to develop his game.

Its not a councudence that something silly like 50% of Englands new caps over the last 4 years have come from teams managed by Pochettino.
 
As regards Ali. It isn't just spotting the players thats important (although it undoubtedly is) it's also having a manager with the cajules to play him in the premier and also the coaching ability to develop his game.

Its not a councudence that something silly like 50% of Englands new caps over the last 4 years have come from teams managed by Pochettino.

That's it, I remember when they bought him, he wasn't actually earmarked for the first team but obviously he was showing enough ability in training to be given a chance in the first team. It's a forward thinking manager who can say, yes he's raw but I can see what he has to offer.

If Allardyce had that attitude with Lookman we may have been more exciting, not much but a bit.
 
I don't believe we are beyond the point of no return but we have reached a tipping point, if we allow Fat Sam to stay or employ the wrong manager this time and don't freshen up the boardroom then I feel we will continue the downward trajectory into relegation.

We need to start making the right choices now.
This.

There is a window of opportunity this summer. If we bring the right DoF and manager in we have a great chance to turn this ariund very quuckly. We already have some of the very best young players aroubd as squad fillers. We need maybe 5 quality starters to bring in.

It wont be easy but it can be done. We won't have Europe to juggle with next season either.
 

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