The Now-Irrelevant 2024/25 Relegation Battle (Without Everton!)

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I think there is a difference in attitude towards relegation between ourselves and many other clubs. We have not been relegated since 1951 and came back up in 1954 ,that's 71 years in the top flight. Other clubs have gone down and bounced back several times and sort of got used to it ,accepted it as part of life. Most of our fans have never known it to happen.
Damn straight. Relegation is unacceptable. When I see other teams singing away to show they can cope with the disappointment I am gobsmacked a little. Look how the fans here rose to the occasion and dragged it and the players over the line with them - the fans have the big club mindset even when the club itself is not behaving that way. Also I wouldn't count on this happening too many times as even the hardiest fan eventually will succumb. I hope we don't have to experience last day relegation fights for a long time.
 
Damn straight. Relegation is unacceptable. When I see other teams singing away to show they can cope with the disappointment I am gobsmacked a little. Look how the fans here rose to the occasion and dragged it and the players over the line with them - the fans have the big club mindset even when the club itself is not behaving that way. Also I wouldn't count on this happening too many times as even the hardiest fan eventually will succumb. I hope we don't have to experience last day relegation fights for a long time.
Hopefully never again
 
The help has been because the league is very good, not very poor.
Depends how you look at it, I suppose. The bottom 5 or 6 teams in the league (including us) have been very poor for at least two seasons now, probably longer. With the bottom three being absolutely abject.

I'm not sure how good the league is more generally. The runaway leaders of the PL were outplayed by the French champions or, as the common refrain used on here, the champions of a farmers league, and knocked out of the CL before the quarter final stage. The quality of this league is overstated, and is largely orchestrated by the Sky/TNT/Richard Masters hype train.
 

Depends how you look at it, I suppose. The bottom 5 or 6 teams in the league (including us) have been very poor for at least two seasons now, probably longer. With the bottom three being absolutely abject.

I'm not sure how good the league is more generally. The runaway leaders of the PL were outplayed by the French champions or, as the common refrain used on here, the champions of a farmers league, and knocked out of the CL before the quarter final stage. The quality of this league is overstated, and is largely orchestrated by the Sky/TNT/Richard Masters hype train.

The top 3 or 4 aren’t quite as good this season for various reasons, but England has supplied 7 of the last 14 Champions league finalists.

The strength in depth is just much stronger than any other league in the world though. Even with Man Utd and Spurs having abnormally bad years, the quality in the league runs deep.
Moyes (rightfully) gets credit for the Europa conference league win, but really, any English club in that should breeze through it.

That quality is why the 3 teams getting promoted into it are struggling recently.
 
The top 3 or 4 aren’t quite as good this season for various reasons, but England has supplied 7 of the last 14 Champions league finalists.

The strength in depth is just much stronger than any other league in the world though. Even with Man Utd and Spurs having abnormally bad years, the quality in the league runs deep.
Moyes (rightfully) gets credit for the Europa conference league win, but really, any English club in that should breeze through it.

That quality is why the 3 teams getting promoted into it are struggling recently.
The bolded bit above is why I don't share your view on the depth of talent in this league. Relative to English clubs success in the CL, England has been relatively under represented in the Europa League (3 wins in the last twenty years), certainly when compared with Spanish success in those second tier European competitions (11 wins in the same timeframe). For all the bluster of "the best" or "the most competitive" league in the world, Spanish teams have dominated in the champions league and europa league. Certainly in terms of wins, which really is the best marker. Now, you might argue that there is a wider range of English clubs capable of winning European trophies but, in that twenty year period, 5 English clubs have won a European trophy (Liverpool, Manchester United, Chelsea, Manchester City and West Ham) and five Spanish clubs have also won a European pot (Real Madrid, Barcelona, Seville, Atletico Madrid and Villarreal).

So, is our league "much stronger than any other league in the world"? The data suggests not. I would argue that our league is getting less competitive, not more competitive, and that PSR has made that particular issue more uneven.
 
One great thing about the 'bigger' clubs dropping off so significantly this season (and let's not forget Liverpool may very well lose three of their best players at the end of the season and receive nothing for them - how on earth do you replace a player that's been directly involved in about 70% of your goals?) is that the gap between Everton and the top of the table is miles less than it normally would be.

Sure Forest, Bournemouth and Newcastle are having great seasons, but three or four smart signings and we'll have every bit as strong as squad as any of theirs.

Plus the Sky clubs, they'll all be going through a stage of rebuilding again, and who knows if it will even be successful for them. United, for example, could establish themselves as a mid-table team for the next 5-10 years, Spurs too.

We've got a great chance this summer to surge up the table next season, just got to make sure we don't muck it up as we have done for the past decade.
 
Depends how you look at it, I suppose. The bottom 5 or 6 teams in the league (including us) have been very poor for at least two seasons now, probably longer. With the bottom three being absolutely abject.

I'm not sure how good the league is more generally. The runaway leaders of the PL were outplayed by the French champions or, as the common refrain used on here, the champions of a farmers league, and knocked out of the CL before the quarter final stage. The quality of this league is overstated, and is largely orchestrated by the Sky/TNT/Richard Masters hype train.
Not sure you can say we were particularly poor last season given the points deduction knocked us down from 12th.
 

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