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Cahill should no longer be an automatic starter for me, he adds nothing to our overall play. Osman, if anyone, should play behind the striker. Which once again highlights our need for wingers. 2 wingers, ideally, and a striker. Then we might do something next season.
 

My starting line up would be,
Howard
Jagielka Heitinga Distin
Fellaini
Coleman Osman Arteta Baines
Beckford Saha.

I think that with a back 3 and Fellaini in front of them Coleman & Baines playing as wing backs would work, although i'm ready to be shot down.
 
Barcelona don't have wingers, sometimes you have to have a plan, a way of playing to your strengths and a strategy. In my opinion Barcelona are about the best team I've seen in my lifetime, sometimes it's a bit more than just a quick fix ala get some wingers!!!!1!11!
I mean Sergio practically drops in as a third CB as Barcelona's main "wing play" is putting their right back in behind by the wide forward making space for him by taking the fullback inside. I mean Pienaar and Baines did something very similar. So if the best team I've seen doesn't have wingers, what's the big deal with us getting two out and out wingers?? I may just not get this whole football thing
 
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Barcelona don't have wingers, sometimes you have to have a plan, a way of playing to your strengths and a strategy. In my opinion Barcelona are about the best team I've seen in my lifetime, sometimes it's a bit more than just a quick fix ala get some wingers!!!!1!11!
I mean Sergio practically drops in as a third CB as Barcelona's main "wing play" is putting their right back in behind by the wide forward making space for him by taking the fullback inside. I mean Pienaar and Baines did something very similar. So if the best team I've seen doesn't have wingers, what's the big deal with us getting two out and out wingers?? I may just not get this whole football thing

Except he isn't a CB. So you don't actually need to have 3 CBs on the pitch to cover for your attacking fullbacks.


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Except he isn't a CB. So you don't actually need to have 3 CBs on the pitch to cover for your attacking fullbacks.

I don't understand what you mean? By definition that's what I'm saying? Or are you referring to previous 532 posts? I don't like that idea, it's not fluid enough to change to how other teams play, you can be found out.
 
I don't understand what you mean? By definition that's what I'm saying? Or are you referring to previous 532 posts? I don't like that idea, it's not fluid enough to change to how other teams play, you can be found out.

Sorry I think I got you muddled up with one of the people arguing for 3 at the back.
 
I think as many have said, as much as cahill is a legend he does really hamper our play whether he's scoring goals or not. Personally i think he should now be a major impact sub for his last few years. Saha is alot more affective in that withdrawn stricker role anyway if were playing the 4-4-1-1. I must admit I do feels a bit sorry for arteta as this season he has been asked to play more deep which certainly hasn't helped him at all. Not to mention the spell early season when he had to play a few games that deep he was more a less alongside heitinga who was playing DM and you could tell he was reluctant to go forward as heitinga was all over the place. Finally it was must be hard as the creative mid and having no wingers to link up with and a striker learning his trade.
For me I would like to see a 4-2-3-1 or 4-4-2 next season depending on opp and home or away

Howard
Neville jags distin baines
Fellani rodwell
Winger arteta winger
Saha
 

Most top teams don't play with wingers; they use a combination of different tactics out wide and up front.

Almost every team has a defensive midfield duo whose job it is to help out the full backs when the left or right midfield player is out of position. This makes wing play very difficult because you rarely get one on one. Having an out an out winger is a waste of a position for 90% of the time (Lennon, SWP, Bily even Nani - not crap players but not effective/ efficient enough to merit a regular place).

To combat this, overlapping full-backs join up to get crosses in and draw defenders away but this can be slow build up.

Really good teams have wing forwards like Messi, not really a winger, midfielder or a striker but can pop up in any of the three. Rooney does this, Arshavin, Ronaldo etc.

A player like this has to have smarts, he'll act as a midfield player when the buildup is slow or if the full back gets involved he's a center forward or it you break quickly his job is to isolate a defender and run with the ball.

Closest we had was Donovan and you can see the difference he made because opposing teams have to drop off our midfield letting Arteta, Baines etc into the game. It helps the whole team become better.

The trick is not to have a formation as such but be fluid and to change the formation throughout the game. Donovan often switched sides, went up front, and went wide.

In my view, what we need is a wing forward but they are expensive and rare. Nzogbia can do it, haven't seen enough of Wellbeck or Sturridge.

What is encouraging is that Moyes has used this tactic before and has tried to get Anichede, Jo to do it, so he recognises the problem.

A player like this will fit into any formation you care to name, as Donovan did and that's the trick, formation is what you do when you don't have the ball, fluid attacking play is about having variety in the team/ squad.
 
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To be honest, unless we get two outside wide players this summer i would go with Arteta out wide next season. I can think of worse things the Nzogbia and Arteta on the flanks.

*Realisises it wouldnever happen!
 
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