The EU deal

[Cypher]

How about the fact that EU migrants contribute more financially than they take out in benefits or from using the NHS? Should we boot them lot out too, cause "they don't like us"?

I said it was unfair grouping all migrants. That's why we need a points system so we can bring in the ones that we need who then do contribute.

 

[SNova]

No mate - saying outright that "staying in the EU will result in sex attacks from foreigners in the UK" is.

His argument:

Those 'refugees' who committed those vile acts across Europe if given an EU passport could come to the UK. And I believe that we should be the ones to have control of our borders.

Racist!!

I think it was Clint who called me a 'small man' during the beginning of the migrant crisis for suggesting that the sexual attacks would be inevitable. With great regret I was proven right because I don't live in some utopian dream world.

 

[dandydan]

Some of you need to travel more to broaden your horizons and viewpoint of the world you intolerant racist shitheads. If I lose my EU passport because you don't like Muslims then I'm gonna fume.

If it means we can deport people from Bootle I'll go campaigning myself.

 

[peteblue]

The Head of the WTO reckons otherwise according to the Guardian.
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...rexit-trade-talks-start-scratch-eu-referendum

Negotiations about the shape of the UK’s post-Brexit trade arrangements would have to start from scratch after a leave vote in the EU referendum, the head of the World Trade Organisation said as he admitted there had been no preliminary discussions with the UK government.

Roberto Azevêdo, the WTO director-general, said he expected any talks to be long and difficult, adding: “We haven’t had any discussions about the process. We don’t know what the process would be. We do know it would be a very unusual situation.”

Trade has featured heavily during the referendum campaign, with much debate about whether a post-Brexit UK would seek to retain its membership of the European single market or aim for a looser arrangement in which exporters had the same access as other WTO members.

Azevêdo said the position was complicated by the fact that all Britain’s trade commitments had been negotiated by the EU and that these would cease to apply in the event of a decision to leave.

Warning that it would be impossible for the UK to “cut and paste” its old EU trade deals into new agreements, Azevêdo said the UK would be starting from scratch without the institutional machinery necessary to negotiate trade deals.

He said Britain did not have the investigative bodies that would look into issues such as steel dumping. “It doesn’t have the official capacity. There is no institutional mechanism to conduct an investigation. That body of human resources would have to be set up fairly quickly.”

Azevêdo said he felt “uncomfortable” being dragged into the UK’s referendum debate but thought it was right to counter a great deal of misinformation about the UK’s future as a WTO member. He said there had been no pressure on him from the government to speak out.

“Britain is a member of the WTO and will continue to be a member of the WTO. But it will be a member with no country-specific commitments. We have had no other situation like that,” he said.

One of the leading figures on the leave side, Prof Patrick Minford, has said Britain could avoid protracted negotiations by adopting a free trade approach, under which the UK would impose no barriers on goods and services entering the country. Minford said this would help the economy by making imports cheaper.

Azevêdo said this would be an all-or-nothing approach: “If you are a duty-free country, you can’t be selectively duty-free. If you want to go duty-free, you have to go duty-free across the board. There can be no tariffs on anything, including agriculture and steel.”

The WTO director-general has been seeking reductions in protectionism from member countries as part of his organisation’s mission to promote free trade. He said: “If everybody went in a duty-free direction it would be a golden time for classical and orthodox economics.”

Noting that only Macau and Hong Kong adopted a complete duty-free approach, Azevêdo said: “I recognise reality for what it is. I think it is very unlikely it (a duty-free world) is going to come to pass.”

Azevêdo, who has been struggling to bring to a conclusion the Doha round of liberalisation talks which began in 2001, said he had no idea how long it would take the UK to negotiate trade deals afresh in the aftermath of a leave vote.

“It is very difficult to predict. Russia’s accession to the WTO took 20 years. Other negotiations happened faster. It will be a very high risk bet to hope that negotiations would be quickly completed and that negotiations would be uneventful,” he said.

The guy you mention is from Brazil, a near bankrupt country who are absolutely desperate for a deal with the EU........

 

[daylightrobber]

Snides.

http://politicalscrapbook.net/2016/...ke-register-to-vote-page-after-being-exposed/

I note that the Leavers in this thread haven't reacted. John Major was right - squalid.

 

[joey_macmo]

And they don't even like us. Madness.

Slipping up and showing your true colours as ever I see.

 

[LocalNative]

I said it was unfair grouping all migrants. That's why we need a points system so we can bring in the ones that we need who then do contribute.

So if we bring in a migrant who gets a job initially - but is then sacked a few months down the line and ends up on benefits, do we show them the door again?

 

[The Cowboy]

How about the fact that EU migrants contribute more financially than they take out in benefits or from using the NHS? Should we boot them lot out too, cause "they don't like us"?

This net contribution thing only tells one tiny part of the story. Social services, the NHS, housing, transport etc, need to be scaled to the size of the population. Even if migrants are not immediately using the NHS, they will at some point, and the NHS needs to have that capacity. They simply do not, and cannot expand at the rate required.

 

[Cypher]

No mate - saying outright that "staying in the EU will result in sex attacks from foreigners in the UK" is.

People like you said the same thing before and look at Germany and Sweden. Farage is probably right.

 

[peteblue]

I said it was unfair grouping all migrants. That's why we need a points system so we can bring in the ones that we need who then do contribute.

Germany is responsible for this whole migrant fiasco. We have more people than we need, Germany needs more people than it has and that's why they insist on this open border. Merkel caused the latest migration problem and has no idea how to fix it other than bribing countries.........

 

[Cypher]

So if we bring in a migrant who gets a job initially - but is then sacked a few months down the line and ends up on benefits, do we show them the door again?

They would be given some time to find a new job. America does the same thing with it's work visas.

 

[TheBlueGibbon]

The guy you mention is from Brazil, a near bankrupt country who are absolutely desperate for a deal with the EU........

He's still the head of the WTO, speaking in a professional capacity.

 

[SNova]

I note that the Leavers in this thread haven't reacted. John Major was right - squalid.

We are not obsessed with the personalities. We do not have an allegiance to the leave campaign. I will be voting to leave for my country.

 

[peteblue]

I note that the Leavers in this thread haven't reacted. John Major was right - squalid.

It is squalid.....I'm just amazed the remain camp didn't think of it first........and put it into the free postal document sent to every home while not funding an equivalent from Leave.......

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Again, 50% of our trade goes to the EU. About 13% goes the other way.

Playing "chicken" with 50% of our trade is ridiculous, absolutely insane. You seriously can't see how stupid that is?

Not to mention the markets collapsing and the potential economic meltdown that will follow.

But it's Ok fella we won't have to live next door to Eastern Europeans working for minimum wage doing jobs that our feckless homegrown doleites can't be arsed doing. And we can sit there convincing ourselves that we have a genuine World prominence outside of the European community as our interest rates rocket.......so it's all good.