The EU deal

SNova · June 6, 2016

Did anyone watch the Sky debates? Awful interviewer. Kept interrupting.

peteblue said:
Yes.......

Or they will just ignore the result.

Cypher · June 6, 2016

SNova said:
Did anyone watch the Sky debates? Awful interviewer. Kept interrupting.

Or they will just ignore the result.

The world war line and then the face was perfect.

SNova · June 6, 2016

SNova said:
President of the European Parliament.

At the entrance to the Visitors Centre of the European Parliament, there is a plaque with these words:

“National sovereignty is the root cause of the most crying evils of our times….The only final remedy for this evil is the federal union of the peoples.”

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Of course I'm just a crazy conspiracy theorist to suggest they aim to have a federal United States of Europe.

Cypher · June 6, 2016

SNova said:
At the entrance to the Visitors Centre of the European Parliament, there is a plaque with these words:

“National sovereignty is the root cause of the most crying evils of our times….The only final remedy for this evil is the federal union of the peoples.”

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Of course I'm just a crazy conspiracy theorist to suggest they aim to have a federal United States of Europe.

Not just national sovereignty but in particular white national sovereignty. They think that when they import a load of people from other nations then when they have power they won't do to the whites what the whites did to others. It's pure insanity brought about due to collective guilt over World War 2.

It's not like anyone else didn't commit genocide. No wait. Pretty much everyone else has.

daylightrobber · June 6, 2016

Cypher said:
Not just national sovereignty but in particular white national sovereignty. They think that when they import a load of people from other nations then when they have power they won't do to the whites what the whites did to others. It's pure insanity brought about due to collective guilt over World War 2.

It's not like anyone else didn't commit genocide. No wait. Pretty much everyone else has.

I really do think you need to lay off with arguments referencing skin colour. You might get accused of something you didn't mean.

magicjuan · June 6, 2016

SNova said:
At the entrance to the Visitors Centre of the European Parliament, there is a plaque with these words:

“National sovereignty is the root cause of the most crying evils of our times….The only final remedy for this evil is the federal union of the peoples.”

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Of course I'm just a crazy conspiracy theorist to suggest they aim to have a federal United States of Europe.

If. If, there was a statement saying the direction and ultimate goal of the European Union, given to the public, and an outline of how it would operate, I wonder how many people would still support it.

It would have to be honest too. No fancy rhetoric, just the plans and ambitions.

Jesuisconspiraceassui

Cypher · June 6, 2016

daylightrobber said:
I really do think you need to lay off with arguments referencing skin colour. You might get accused of something you didn't mean.

You might like to think race or nationality or tribalism doesn't matter because you think everyone is like you. I would like to think that too however everyone isn't that evolved.

One of the mistakes members of Labour said they made regarding multiculturalism was that they put all their effort into educating and controlling the racist backlash against minority immigrants but they never give any thought to the opposite, the racist views against the majority. These are the same people who are conducting this huge social engineering experiment and I think they haven't thought through all the consequences mainly due to people like you who uses political correctness to shut down those avenues of thought. There's a chance that Europe might emerge, a multicultural, multiracial utopian beacon for the whole world to emulate but there's also a chance this may end very badly. The rate of change makes the latter option ever more likely.

daylightrobber · June 6, 2016

Cypher said:
You might like to think race or nationality or tribalism doesn't matter because you think everyone is like you. I would like to think that too however everyone isn't that evolved.

One of the mistakes members of Labour said they made regarding multiculturalism was that they put all their effort into educating and controlling the racist backlash against minority immigrants but they never give any thought to the opposite, the racist views against the majority. These are the same people who are conducting this huge social engineering experiment and I think they haven't thought through all the consequences mainly due to people like you who uses political correctness to shut down those avenues of thought. There's a chance that Europe might emerge, a multicultural, multiracial utopian beacon for the whole world to emulate but there's also a chance this may end very badly. The rate of change makes the latter option ever more likely.

What twaddle. And you accuse me of bringing everything back to racism. This is all about a false perception that white, English speakers are being usurped isn't it?

Cypher · June 6, 2016

daylightrobber said:
What twaddle. And you accuse me of bringing everything back to racism. This is all about a false perception that white, English speakers are being usurped isn't it?

Power lies in the electorate. Within 40-60 years from now Europe will be Islamic. Personally I don't think it will lead to anyone usurping white people. What will happen is white people will be forced to convert to the culture and religion of the immigrants. This won't happen by physical force but by social pressure over time. Those that don't convert will have to leave.

But it could go a number of ways.

What I am referring to is tribalism and how tribalism will ultimately shape the result of this experiment.

daylightrobber · June 6, 2016

Cypher said:
Power lies in the electorate. Within 40-60 years from now Europe will be Islamic. Personally I don't think it will lead to anyone usurping white people. What will happen is white people will be forced to convert to the culture and religion of the immigrants. This won't happen by physical force but by social pressure over time. Those that don't convert will have to leave.

But it could go a number of ways.

What I am referring to is tribalism and how tribalism will ultimately shape the result of this experiment.

What the actual F? Why are you so scared of something that really isn't going to happen?

Cypher · June 6, 2016

daylightrobber said:
What the actual F? Why are you so scared of something that really isn't going to happen?

I think you misunderstand. Scared?

I'm not sure scared is the right word but I personally don't want Europe to be plunged into another dark ages for the next 1000 years. Unless you are one of those nuts that thinks Islam will go through a reformation within the next few decades.

magicjuan · June 6, 2016

Cypher said:
Power lies in the electorate. Within 40-60 years from now Europe will be Islamic. Personally I don't think it will lead to anyone usurping white people. What will happen is white people will be forced to convert to the culture and religion of the immigrants. This won't happen by physical force but by social pressure over time. Those that don't convert will have to leave.

But it could go a number of ways.

What I am referring to is tribalism and how tribalism will ultimately shape the result of this experiment.

It isn't tribalism, otherwise Angles, Picts, Scots, Germanics, Celts would have tried to decimate others when they have managed to, on the whole, exist peacefully side by side, usually through mutuality in modern times.

You are talking of empire building and religious war for dominance. But the overwhelming majority of religious wars have always been about resources and profiteering. These things don't happen by accident, they are cultivated and designed, by the very leaders of each nation or people. If you want to look at it from this angle then you have to see it and recognise it for what it actually is, a class war.

Cypher · June 6, 2016

magicjuan said:
It isn't tribalism, otherwise Angles, Picts, Scots, Germanics, Celts would have tried to decimate others when they have managed to, on the whole, exist peacefully side by side, usually through mutuality in modern times.

You are talking of empire building and religious war for dominance. But the overwhelming majority of religious wars have always been about resources and profiteering. These things don't happen by accident, they are cultivated and designed, by the very leaders of each nation or people. If you want to look at it from this angle then you have to see it and recognise it for what it actually is, a class war.

It absolutely will be a class war. The poor people will be Muslim. The rich people will be secular. As the poor Muslim population increases they will slowly take over the politics until even the elite will be forced to convert.

This has happened before with Christianity and the Roman Empire. It will happen again.