The Dark Knight Rises

[efcforever]

Thought it was okay, I was more surprised in how Bane was offed so easily...

Loved the film and the trilogy but this was was the only part of the film that I was dissapointed with. I thought that Batman should've have finished him off.

 

[Dom1878]

I thought it was really weak. Showed too little and then too much. He got it backward.

I agree it was weak, they tried to leave it as open as possible - to either have Bruce Wayne come back as Batman, or have Blake to take over as Batman or even just have a sequel through Cat Woman.

But yeah, very inception in that was the end real or not etc (which it wasn't!!)

 

[Nails]

But yeah, very inception in that was the end real or not etc (which it wasn't!!)

Not ambiguous like Inception, just bad writing.

 

[Walken]

Not ambiguous like Inception, just bad writing.

id agree, inception eneding was excactly how it should have ended, batman pandered to the studios, which really suprised me with Nolan, should have ended with gary oldman making a speech by his statue, but this time making a speech about gothams true hero

 

[Royal Blue Jersey]

id agree, inception eneding was excactly how it should have ended, batman pandered to the studios, which really suprised me with Nolan, should have ended with gary oldman making a speech by his statue, but this time making a speech about gothams true hero

Nolan, from the start (I've seen in interviews) was told, and agreed, to the notion that Batman, as a comic book 'franchise' needed to be open-ended to some extent; in fact instead of trying to interpret what he said in my own way, much simpler and better for me to show the quote, which is as follows:

"When I first met with Paul Levitz of DC Comics prior to 'Batman Begins,' he explained to me clearly that Batman, of all superheroes, has thrived on reinterpretation and almost is strengthened by it. And I'm talking about over the years in the comic books but also in the movie. So when the time is right, whenever someone does whatever the next iteration of the character is, they simply need to be true to whatever it is they want to see, to what they believe in, not worry too much about what everyone else is telling them it should be."

And besides I thought the ending was superb, common to all Nolan films: the full magnitude of the preceeding events can only be appreciated after the film as finished and, as such, they reward repeated viewings. I saw Rises for a second time 10 days after the first and it was even better, I kid you not. He is a wonderful film-maker, a craftsman with a vision, and to doubt him is to embarrass yourself, as I have done several times before. He always knows where he is going and puirposefully overloads his films with plot, expounded through subtle foreshadowing and callbacks that require maximum concentration to become fully aware of. I know this may be an overused compliment but he really is a genius. Not many film-makers have simply floored me because of the complexity and billiance of their stories and how they unfold. He regularly has.

A (along with his brother Johnathon and fellow writer David Goyer) true talent.

 

[Nails]

Nolan, from the start (I've seen in interviews) was told, and agreed, to the notion that Batman, as a comic book 'franchise' needed to be open-ended to some extent; in fact instead of trying to interpret what he said in my own way, much simpler and better for me to show the quote, which is as follows:


And besides I thought the ending was superb, common to all Nolan films: the full magnitude of the preceeding events can only be appreciated after the film as finished and, as such, they reward repeated viewings. I saw Rises for a second time 10 days after the first and it was even better, I kid you not. He is a wonderful film-maker, a craftsman with a vision, and to doubt him is to embarrass yourself, as I have done several times before. He always knows where he is going and puirposefully overloads his films with plot, expounded through subtle foreshadowing and callbacks that require maximum concentration to become fully aware of. I know this may be an overused compliment but he really is a genius. Not many film-makers have simply floored me because of the complexity and billiance of their stories and how they unfold. He regularly has.

A (along with his brother Johnathon and fellow writer David Goyer) true talent.

That is a great quote from Nolan. People always love comparing Batman films and his various incarnations. No one likes Schumacher's films, but his interpretations give context to all the films. There is always fans who like Nolan over Burton, Adam West over Bale, etc... There is even people who love the animated series, which has been very influential.

I don't think anyone is saying that the open-ended ending is bad, it is the way they went about it. The last five minutes seemed to be beating you over the head with the plot, instead of a having a simple and well-constructed finale (which I think The Dark Knight did far better).

As for Nolan, he is an exceptional filmmaker. He has a wonderful partnership with his perennial cinematographer Wally Pfister and editor Lee Smith. They craft their films very well together. However, I just think he is let down by he and his brother's writing. Goyer only did Begins, which I think is better written than Rises (except for some dialogue that is a bit on the nose, "I am... the devil!". He now has to write for a mass audiences and not just comic-book fans.

 

[McBain]

Good arguments Nails, but I think the writing from the Nolans is consistently superb. You also may be right about not seeing another Batman within the decade, but Brennan nails it.

There are so many factors in getting a green light from one or multiple studios. These things cost so much money now the bank virtually has the last say in which projects will go ahead.

Nolan has transformed himself in one of only a handful of Film makers the Banks will allow carte blanche to make a film. Cameron, Speilberg and Bay the others off the top of my head.

His last four films have bankrolled Warners brilliantly, along with the Potter franchise. You'll bet they'll be looking to milk those Bat-Titties again within about 5 years.