The argument for Benitez

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Benitez was the troll name like Gerrard. The name that the press throws at us so there is to be banter in our expense, the name that every miserable f-ker out there uses to start taking the piss out of Everton and Evertonians in general. Don't know why we're still talking about those names. Are we seriously letting ourselves being trolled?
 

Again just to note he has clarified since we set up to not play which is what small clubs do and he was right about that.

I'm not sure it would work but that says more about us as a fanbase than it does about his work. For me if we could get him cheaper and get rid of him cheaper then that trumps someone like NES who will cost a bomb on both by the seem of it. Benitez's profile allied to our budget might mean we can stay on an upward curve until we are out of the transitional phase and be more desirable for the next lot of up and coming managers.
There's quite probably nuance there, and like I said, as a manager looking at him rationally I wouldn't be upset if he joined, but that comment will haunt him and any nuance behind it will be forgotten.
 
He wouldn't sustain a bad start.

On paper his credentials are about as good as we could hope for.

I would doubt his hunger and motivation.

I don't think he'll get it anyway but he'd have to make a case for himself far above and beyond any other candidate to justify the fuss it would cause.

If I was Moshiri I'd hear him out, which he probably has done. His history wouldn't bother me personally, I just don't think he is near being an optimal candidate.
 

I'm aware of that, but the fan base has been fractured for a long, long, long time. The last time I can remember anything even remotely close to unity (for more than 2 or 3 months) was probably 5 or 6 years into Moyes tenure and even then there were detractors.

Any appointment we make will be met with some folded arm acceptance, and a lot of hostility. There are even people who are vocally opposed to hypothetical appointments we have zero chance of even getting, like Mourinho.

If they have spoken to Benitez, and he turns out to be the best candidate, but we cut our nose off to spite our face and appoint a lesser manager because he said something stupid a long time ago, which apparently matters if it's a childish insult but not if its a history of winning trophies, then we are stupid.

But his history is part of what makes him a candidate surely? You are after the manager who gives you the absolute best chance of improving things. The fans are a part of that and always will be, if the atmosphere is toxic then things will not improve.

This is not the same as your Mourinho example, surely you can see that? If we got Mourinho the naysayers would probably just got on with it. You would not have people protesting about that appointment yet I genuinely think you would have with Benitez. I wouldn't agree with it but that doesn't mean it wouldn't happen either.

His childish insult like his trophy winning days are long in the past. If we were to appoint him and basically tell the fans to do one then that would be even more stupid especially for a manager who is way past his best.

(Martinez's first season was probably our last time of full unity I reckon)
 
Post funny things thread for this however..

won nothing in years,

never built a team just inherited a couple,

absolutely out of date in terms of tactics,

not what we need

and he’s a gobshoite full of his own false ego
 

The inevitable link returns and with it, the inevitable melt down.

Regardless of opinions on Benitez due to his connections with Liverpool, he seems to me to be the closest thing to a direct replacement for Ancelotti, which depending on your view point may be a plus or a minus in his column.

They have actually had remarkably similar careers, albeit Ancelotti has had a couple of higher profile jobs over Benitez, and a few more successes to boot. Both started at smaller clubs in their own country, before achieving success in their home leagues and winning European competitions. Even then, managing Liverpool and Milan, they contested 2 European finals against each other, taking 1 apiece.

Since then, they have both managed Chelsea, Real Madrid and Napoli, both took jobs at less successful English clubs which raised eyebrows. Both have managed opposing teams in Milan and Merseyside, and they have a similar list of honours, having both won several domestic cups and European trophies at almost every stop along the way. Ancelotti has 18 to Benitez 11, including 4 League trophies to Benitez 2 and 3 CL to Benitez 1, but to be fair to Benitez, I would argue he accomplished some of his at smaller, lesser fancied teams like Valencia and Liverpool (zing), while Ancelotti didn't win anything in any of his jobs at non galactico sides.

He is the biggest name and the most successful candidate we are likely to attract, while his ties to the city and him supposedly actively seeking the job are plus points to me as he is less likely to go running at the 1st flash of leg from a top club.

I honestly do not care about his history with Liverpool at this point. I've said before and it bares repeating, his time with Liverpool was mixed at best, and a good majority of their fans didn't like him while he was there. Going to Chelsea turned a lot of those who did. This appointment would probably end it for the rest. Yes, he will likely always be associated for winning them THAT game, but even a League Cup win here would wipe out most of that good faith. They would hate it so much.

There are people they have employed that I would genuinely despise having anything to do with our club, but Benitez doesn't get close to that list.

He would have an uphill battle convincing a large majority of our fan base, and a good proportion would have such low expectations that it might actually be a good thing. But outwardly, to the rest of the world, appointing someone with his name and reputation is probably the biggest move we can make following the loss of Ancelotti, without looking like we are taking a huge step back and/or hitting the reset button. Again.

In terms of style, there is probably not a lot in it. Both tend to have well organised teams that are based on a solid defensive base, but I was interested to see recently that Benitez Madrid was actually 1 of the more attacking sides they've had for a number of years and recorded a number of high scoring, high profile wins. He also seems to to favour a slightly more aggressive and energetic press than Carlos more passive tactics. He also has a reputation for buying and developing younger players, certainly more so than Ancelotti.

In terms of fitting in and moving forward, assuming he continues with Ferguson on his back room staff, this could point to the next step in developing a succession plan, with him learning the ropes under 2 of the longest serving and successful coaches of the last 20 years, and he will learn different things from each of them.

I honestly believe that even modest success here, getting us competing for top 5 for example, and the possibility of a cup competition, which he has always excelled in, he could actually end up being more well liked here than he ever was over there, and that feeling could end up being mutual.

The connection to them is unfortunate, but it is what it is. If he accepts a job here, it only proves that he has no deep seated loyalty to them. And similar goes to Ancelotti. If a job comes up at Liverpool in 12 months time and things haven't worked out at Real, Ancelotti would take it if he was offered it, deep down we all know it. It takes a lot more to develop those strong ties to a club that is not ur spiritual home, and I don't think either of them found that at Liverpool or Everton respectively. I actually think he probably has stronger ties to Newcastle as a club. To them, it is just business, with the added bonus for Benitez that he likes the area, the people and has found a home away from home here.

When he was first linked, a couple of years ago, I was not keen on the idea at all. But the more I've thought about, the more I could see it working. At the very least, he would organise us and make us hard to beat, and if he agrees to coming in and developing a partnership with Marcel Brands, maybe he could actually oversee the redevelopment that Ancelotti was clearly only paying lip service to, and allow for plans to be put in place for when he eventually does move on.

All in all, I'm sure I will remain in the minority by considering his appointment a positive one, but like I say, the more I've thought on it, the more it makes sense to me.

As with all managerial appointments though, I suppose the only way we will ever know for sure, if it is a good idea or a bad one, will be with Hindsight.
He's a dinosaur. Football has moved on and left him behind
 
The inevitable link returns and with it, the inevitable melt down.

Regardless of opinions on Benitez due to his connections with Liverpool, he seems to me to be the closest thing to a direct replacement for Ancelotti, which depending on your view point may be a plus or a minus in his column.

They have actually had remarkably similar careers, albeit Ancelotti has had a couple of higher profile jobs over Benitez, and a few more successes to boot. Both started at smaller clubs in their own country, before achieving success in their home leagues and winning European competitions. Even then, managing Liverpool and Milan, they contested 2 European finals against each other, taking 1 apiece.

Since then, they have both managed Chelsea, Real Madrid and Napoli, both took jobs at less successful English clubs which raised eyebrows. Both have managed opposing teams in Milan and Merseyside, and they have a similar list of honours, having both won several domestic cups and European trophies at almost every stop along the way. Ancelotti has 18 to Benitez 11, including 4 League trophies to Benitez 2 and 3 CL to Benitez 1, but to be fair to Benitez, I would argue he accomplished some of his at smaller, lesser fancied teams like Valencia and Liverpool (zing), while Ancelotti didn't win anything in any of his jobs at non galactico sides.

He is the biggest name and the most successful candidate we are likely to attract, while his ties to the city and him supposedly actively seeking the job are plus points to me as he is less likely to go running at the 1st flash of leg from a top club.

I honestly do not care about his history with Liverpool at this point. I've said before and it bares repeating, his time with Liverpool was mixed at best, and a good majority of their fans didn't like him while he was there. Going to Chelsea turned a lot of those who did. This appointment would probably end it for the rest. Yes, he will likely always be associated for winning them THAT game, but even a League Cup win here would wipe out most of that good faith. They would hate it so much.

There are people they have employed that I would genuinely despise having anything to do with our club, but Benitez doesn't get close to that list.

He would have an uphill battle convincing a large majority of our fan base, and a good proportion would have such low expectations that it might actually be a good thing. But outwardly, to the rest of the world, appointing someone with his name and reputation is probably the biggest move we can make following the loss of Ancelotti, without looking like we are taking a huge step back and/or hitting the reset button. Again.

In terms of style, there is probably not a lot in it. Both tend to have well organised teams that are based on a solid defensive base, but I was interested to see recently that Benitez Madrid was actually 1 of the more attacking sides they've had for a number of years and recorded a number of high scoring, high profile wins. He also seems to to favour a slightly more aggressive and energetic press than Carlos more passive tactics. He also has a reputation for buying and developing younger players, certainly more so than Ancelotti.

In terms of fitting in and moving forward, assuming he continues with Ferguson on his back room staff, this could point to the next step in developing a succession plan, with him learning the ropes under 2 of the longest serving and successful coaches of the last 20 years, and he will learn different things from each of them.

I honestly believe that even modest success here, getting us competing for top 5 for example, and the possibility of a cup competition, which he has always excelled in, he could actually end up being more well liked here than he ever was over there, and that feeling could end up being mutual.

The connection to them is unfortunate, but it is what it is. If he accepts a job here, it only proves that he has no deep seated loyalty to them. And similar goes to Ancelotti. If a job comes up at Liverpool in 12 months time and things haven't worked out at Real, Ancelotti would take it if he was offered it, deep down we all know it. It takes a lot more to develop those strong ties to a club that is not ur spiritual home, and I don't think either of them found that at Liverpool or Everton respectively. I actually think he probably has stronger ties to Newcastle as a club. To them, it is just business, with the added bonus for Benitez that he likes the area, the people and has found a home away from home here.

When he was first linked, a couple of years ago, I was not keen on the idea at all. But the more I've thought about, the more I could see it working. At the very least, he would organise us and make us hard to beat, and if he agrees to coming in and developing a partnership with Marcel Brands, maybe he could actually oversee the redevelopment that Ancelotti was clearly only paying lip service to, and allow for plans to be put in place for when he eventually does move on.

All in all, I'm sure I will remain in the minority by considering his appointment a positive one, but like I say, the more I've thought on it, the more it makes sense to me.

As with all managerial appointments though, I suppose the only way we will ever know for sure, if it is a good idea or a bad one, will be with Hindsight.
No. Just no. And I'm not even that bothered about the Liverpool connection and what he said about us.

His teams have always played dour, safety first football. He generally favours older pros, he's not a huge fan of using pacey players (not saying he's never done it, but not as much as he should), he doesn't like youth, he is someone who many people struggle to get on with, he is a petulant bell. He's also pretty poor in the transfer market (which admittedly he would get less say in here you would think, but the fact he would have input is troubling to me). He's also had his day; he's too long in the tooth to change style or M.O.

He also has no discernable style of play, other than defensive. I'm absolutely sick to the back teeth of watching awful football. Ancelotti's football was abysmal, but you knew that he was going to want to bring in more flair players etc (as he has always done) which might have got us moving in the right direction.

So I don't want him for all the reasons above. If you then factor in what he said about us and his RS connections, it's just untenable. Fans will hate the style of play and he won't last long at all. It would be an awful appointment. Possibly our worst since Mike Walker - although Benitez is a better manager than him!
 
His remit in China wasnt just to manage the team...he did that along with rebuilding the entire footballing structure of the club...

Dalian has a population of around 7million and the job wasnt a small one.

His record doesnt look brilliant there but the fans loved him and he only jumped ship due to the pandemic.

Its a hard appointment to swallow but its a FAR superior one than Nuno.
 

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