The anti-Dyche - Dychette hugging it out thread

[Gwladys St. Glory]

My opinion hasn’t changed much if I’m honest, I still think it’s fairly early days and difficult to tell if we’ve improved loads. On a wider level though I’ve never shied away from the fact that I’m mildly contrarian. I don’t look for deliberate mad takes to be different but I generally engage more if I feel my opinion is different to the prevailing mood. I’m less inclined to post saying ‘yes I agree with what every other post has said’ than I am to post saying ‘actually I see this a bit differently’ simply because that’s what I see the point in posting as being. If it turns out I was wrong about dyche doing a decent job and actually were a top 6 side being held back then ace, I’ll acknowledge that when I believe it. If we lose the next couple and return to bottom half form then I won’t, I’m aware that short term lurches in either direction don’t prove anything and so I try not to knee jerk either way when they happen.

WTF!?!

I wouldn't expect this squad to improve "loads' anyways but scoring goals is a hell of a start.

 

[Lanolin]

WTF!?!

I wouldn't expect this squad to improve "loads' anyways but scoring goals is a hell of a start.

But I never said any different so where’s the WTF? Moyes is a better manager than dyche, he always has been and you can look over my posting history for 10 years to see I’ve always said that. That doesn’t change the underlying point that it’s hard to tell whether this is a massive jump forward or your standard ‘new manager bounce’. To me you’d have to be a bit (well a lot really) stupid to just say everything’s fixed because we’ve had a couple of good games. Unfortunately a lot of people are stupid and so do just that, but I’ve seen enough situations like this both here and at other clubs to be able to say things look much brighter but I’m not going to go overboard just yet. If that makes you say WTF I think it says more about you than it does me.

 

[Tommy Chong]

But I never said any different so where’s the WTF? Moyes is a better manager than dyche, he always has been and you can look over my posting history for 10 years to see I’ve always said that. That doesn’t change the underlying point that it’s hard to tell whether this is a massive jump forward or your standard ‘new manager bounce’. To me you’d have to be a bit (well a lot really) stupid to just say everything’s fixed because we’ve had a couple of good games. Unfortunately a lot of people are stupid and so do just that, but I’ve seen enough situations like this both here and at other clubs to be able to say things look much brighter but I’m not going to go overboard just yet. If that makes you say WTF I think it says more about you than it does me.

Well mate, like I said in the Moyes thread:
I am still a bit weary of the 'new manager bounce', but at the moment, things are slowly starting to looking up.
So for the time being, I'm going to enjoy it, because for the last season or so, Evertonians have had very little to be joyous about, and it's been ages since Everton have put on a performance like that!

 

[Lanolin]

Well mate, like I said in the Moyes thread:
I am still a bit weary of the 'new manager bounce', but at the moment, things are slowly starting to looking up.
So for the time being, I'm going to enjoy it, because for the last season or so, Evertonians have had very little to be joyous about, and it's been ages since Everton have put on a performance like that!

Exactly. Thats why stuff like this really annoys me, people more bothered about trying to say they were right and other people were wrong instead of just enjoying it for what it is. I couldn’t care less if my opinions turn out to be wrong if it means Everton win games, I can’t imagine how awful my life would have to be for my first thought after a win to be ‘I need to vault this fella who said we’re not the best team in the world’.

 

[MikeH72]

My opinion hasn’t changed much if I’m honest, I still think it’s fairly early days and difficult to tell if we’ve improved loads. On a wider level though I’ve never shied away from the fact that I’m mildly contrarian. I don’t look for deliberate mad takes to be different but I generally engage more if I feel my opinion is different to the prevailing mood. I’m less inclined to post saying ‘yes I agree with what every other post has said’ than I am to post saying ‘actually I see this a bit differently’ simply because that’s what I see the point in posting as being. If it turns out I was wrong about dyche doing a decent job and actually were a top 6 side being held back then ace, I’ll acknowledge that when I believe it. If we lose the next couple and return to bottom half form then I won’t, I’m aware that short term lurches in either direction don’t prove anything and so I try not to knee jerk either way when they happen.

Sorry what on earth are you banging on about the top 6 for? The last manager left us 1 point off the relegation zone, there’s something that exists in between that and the top 6. You consistently defended him by saying we have one of the worst squads in the league and now you’ve pivoted to “well we’ve just beat a load of crap sides”, it doesn’t make any sense. We ARE a crap side according to you, and Sean Dyche couldn’t beat any of the other crap sides, including the crappest one of all.

Honestly get the feeling it would kill you to just acknowledge that this team was being horrifically mismanaged, because it would be admitting that the last fella successfully gaslit you into thinking these players had no hope of playing anything resembling football against any opposition.

Moyes is humbling a lot of people here after 3 weeks in the job with no new additions. You’re saying it’s “early days”, but you couldn’t wait to beat us over the head with how crap we were against Villa as if you’d expected something to change in the 2 days he’d been in the job.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Everton - Goals for this season in the league - 23
8 of them in the last 3 games. 8/23 * 100 = 34.78%

Measurable, quantifiable, improvement.

Everton - points in the league this season - 26
9 in the last 3 games. 9/26 * 100 = 34.61%

Measurable, quantifiable, improvement.

He's been here 3 weeks. He's relying on Baines and Coleman. Seems the side has bought into the change fully. There's a different attitude, it's visible, and notably has released Ndiaye. The flashes of stuff we saw early season are being patched together a bit more regular.

 

[tonyhorne]

Everton - Goals for this season in the league - 23
8 of them in the last 3 games. 8/23 * 100 = 34.78%

Measurable, quantifiable, improvement.

Everton - points in the league this season - 26
9 in the last 3 games. 9/26 * 100 = 34.61%

Measurable, quantifiable, improvement.

He's been here 3 weeks. He's relying on Baines and Coleman. Seems the side has bought into the change fully. There's a different attitude, it's visible, and notably has released Ndiaye. The flashes of stuff we saw early season are being patched together a bit more regular.

Who'd have thought? You score more goals and you win more games ...