Tale from the past that makes you question certain journos motives regarding John Stones coverage

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Groucho said:
That's just one writer though. They'd all have to be in on it, every single journalist, for it to be a credible theory. I simply avoid the papers and talksport these days.

One man at his level cannot influence the entire written press, let alone the television and radio too.


There was a thread on this very thing.

https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/sky-and-betting.77766/
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ta for that. relieved to read it. been boring people with this for few years. it is bad enough they have bookies sponsoring papers and radio but I have never understood how this goes on.
 
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MrGrumpy said:
The fact is we are a bigger club than Chelsea and City. Were just not Billionaire like them, and money now equal size not history
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Regarding history and heritage then yes we may be a bigger club, however we're now stuck in the Premier League era and all its cash.

Unfortunately, post-1992 appears to hold little relevance any more or at least not in the eyes of the mainstream media and especially Sky.

They're the currently successful clubs: they win trophies; buy the best (most expensive) players; fill out stadiums; have a European footprint.

As such, they have become the media starlets as it ultimately brings them revenue as they have a much wider fan base. It's all economics now.

Newcastle aren't a big or successful club, but their over zealous fans are a cash cow for the media. It's in their interest to big them up.

Look at clubs like Leeds and Forest... they are in my eyes 'big' clubs purely on their history, but that doesn't echo in recent success.

It may be hard to swallow but clubs like Manchester City and Chelsea are the new big clubs, it's just it hasn't been cemented yet in our eyes.

With regards to selling papers and advertising, they certainly are though!
 
PhilM said:
Regarding history and heritage then yes we may be a bigger club, however we're now stuck in the Premier League era and all its cash.

Unfortunately, post-1992 appears to hold little relevance any more or at least not in the eyes of the mainstream media and especially Sky.

They're the currently successful clubs: they win trophies; buy the best (most expensive) players; fill out stadiums; have a European footprint.

As such, they have become the media starlets as it ultimately brings them revenue as they have a much wider fan base. It's all economics now.

Newcastle aren't a big or successful club, but their over zealous fans are a cash cow for the media. It's in their interest to big them up.

Look at clubs like Leeds and Forest... they are in my eyes 'big' clubs purely on their history, but that doesn't echo in recent success.

It may be hard to swallow but clubs like Manchester City and Chelsea are the new big clubs, it's just it hasn't been cemented yet in our eyes.

With regards to selling papers and advertising, they certainly are though!
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I completely agree with you and tbh since 92 we havnt helped ourselves, when we got in the CL that was the time to spend big and get in the groups but we didn't and we've been really unlucky not to get in it again at least twice. That again comes to under investment in the team few mil more here and there and we could of been a "big club"
 
MrGrumpy said:
Stones to Chelsea is the only big deal about. Sterlings gone to City, Ramos is staying at Real, the Bale/Ronaldo to utd were just rubbish. De Bruyner to City isn't happening. Arsenal are linked with Benzima now and again. So they only have Stones to Chelsea to go on as they have bidded for him and they need to sell papers. So until a bigger deal comes along or the window shuts, were stuck with this
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Exactly.
 

The papers are waiting on Stones handing in a transfer request until then I cant see Everton selling but the media circus are doing everything they can to unsettle this young lad.
 
ijjysmith said:
If you think it's that simple then fair enough. You're wrong like but hey.

We aren't Chelsea or City (who do get players linked away but whatever). They are at the top. We aren't. Sadly.

Our players get linked with moves away because they are good. If our players weren't good they wouldn't get linked away.

Mitch Ward was never linked away. John Stones is linked away.
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Nope. We'll have to agree to disagree because I think you're blatantly wrong.

Our players don't just get linked away because they're good.

Our players get linked away because agents think they can get more money for their clients at richer clubs. And richer clubs use the media to exert pressure on clubs they perceive to be financially weaker than them.

This is not 'oh woe is us'. This is not a 9/11 conspiracy theory. There is overwhelming evidence this goes on. We're not the only ones it affects, they do this to other clubs too.

Again, I'd like to differentiate that this is not tabloids being tabloids. This is taking it one step further - the sports journalism equivalent of insider trading. This isn't even McCarthy/Mirallas type speculative nonsense.

This is specific journos being leaned on by agents & clubs in a concerted campaign, with business practice info leaked to them to build pressure. Why is Matt Law the one who constantly tells the world Chelsea are about to bid XYZ for Stones? He's been fed this by the Chelsea hierarchy. This isn't a scoop, this is essentially propaganda/battle plan masquerading as a scoop. What I'm asking people to consider is his motives for doing this, because I think it is nativity in the extreme to believe he's 'just doing his job for journalistic love & a wage'. There's no attempt to research EFC's side of things and the story he reports is constantly from the Chelsea pov.

There's a difference between reporting news and trying to engineer it, and this is the latter, with certain journalists.
 
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Been thinking about this since @the esk went after Ian Wright and the 606 lot. The sad thing is that these pundits and so called journalists have such a narrow minded and herd like view of the game. Perhaps their personal views are different and the status quo dictates their approach, but looking at Wright's dismissive attitude and body language really got on my nerves on Sunday. If they had anything about them and genuinely cared about football in depth, you'd think we'd see more articles and debate on how any clubs who work with lower leagues to bring young English players through to the top flight should be held up against these foreign bankrolled corporate juggernauts as perhaps a better reflection of the premier league.
 
MrGrumpy said:
You also have to look at how the media see's us. "Punching above our weight" "Small club" "poor" "Pluckly little Everton" most media think Newcastle are a bigger club than us.
The fact is we are a bigger club than Chelsea and City. Were just not Billionaire like them, and money now equal size not history
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City and Chelsea are both bigger clubs than us.
 

ste d' indica said:
Been thinking about this since @the esk went after Ian Wright and the 606 lot. The sad thing is that these pundits and so called journalists have such a narrow minded and herd like view of the game. Perhaps their personal views are different and the status quo dictates their approach, but looking at Wright's dismissive attitude and body language really got on my nerves on Sunday. If they had anything about them and genuinely cared about football in depth, you'd think we'd see more articles and debate on how any clubs who work with lower leagues to bring young English players through to the top flight should be held up against these foreign bankrolled corporate juggernauts as perhaps a better reflection of the premier league.
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The interesting thing is before going on I had a discussion with the producer making the point that the presenters need to do more research before making wild claims on radio, that they were most unprofessional.

In the course of my call the female presenter qualified her comment with I haven't checked this for awhile (or something similar). Touched a nerve.
 
Football is huge business so it's obviously going to be affected by propaganda, like everything else. Best just to stop buying newspapers, or watching 'the news'.

Don't know if anyone remembers the Simpsons episode where the advertisement billboards all came to life and started wrecking the town? Anyway, the only way to stop them was by not looking at them. There's a true message in there somewhere
 

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