Summer Transfer Window - Credible Rumours Only Please

Robertor · June 28, 2015

neonleon said:
How many years has Shamie got on his contract anyway. The unwritten rule seems to be 2 years 15% less in value; 1 year 45% less; 6 months 70% less.

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Dymak · June 28, 2015

AaronTheBlue said:
more laughable you think his market value is only 20m.. and even then you think we could replace him and properly improve the squad with just that.

OK mate, he's worth 30 million as you say, more than a 21 year old Lukaku went for last year, more than Firminho went for last week, more than a shed load of players who are far better than Coleman.

How much are the likes of Montoya and Byram likely to go for? Far less than 10 million I would imagine, both would be suitable replacements for Coleman, leaving a healthy 10 million or so to be added to the budget for a midfielder that actually knows how to pass forward.

And by the way, I doubt anyone will actually bid anything approaching 20 million for Coleman anyway.

BlueToff · June 28, 2015

Dymak said:
OK mate, he's worth 30 million as you say, more than a 21 year old Lukaku went for last year, more than Firminho went for last week, more than a shed load of players who are far better than Coleman.

How much are the likes of Montoya and Byram likely to go for? Far less than 10 million I would imagine, both would be suitable replacements for Coleman, leaving a healthy 10 million or so to be added to the budget for a midfielder that actually knows how to pass forward.

Montoya's pretty turd, really. Would not be a suitable replacement. Byram is a decent player, but despite a relatively poor season last year, Coleman is still probably the 3rd best RB in the league behind Ivanovic and Zabaleta. Although his market value is probably in the £20mil ball-park, he's worth much more to us.

AaronTheBlue · June 28, 2015

Dymak said:
OK mate, he's worth 30 million as you say, more than a 21 year old Lukaku went for last year, more than Firminho went for last week, more than a shed load of players who are far better than Coleman.

How much are the likes of Montoya and Byram likely to go for? Far less than 10 million I would imagine, both would be suitable replacements for Coleman, leaving a healthy 10 million or so to be added to the budget for a midfielder that actually knows how to pass forward.

Yeah more than a 28m lukaku, (who was forcing the move, so chelsea accepted lower than what they probably expected for him)

Ahhh byram, that proven premier league and international player, yes let's compare him to coleman.

You look at the likes of shaw, you look at the likes of fellaini too for the fees that they went for, we are in absolute NO need to sell, he's one of our best players, he's the best attacking right back in the premier league, he's the best british and irish right back in the premier league by far, so yes he absolutely should be going for 30m and we wouldn't be accepting anything less i hope.

Frank Gallagher · June 28, 2015

if it is united after him, remember every club is rinsing them at the moment. add another 5 - 10m on the price, they are over paying just because they can. look at liverpool with city. first bid of 25m for sterling, thrown out and it looks like they are going to get 50m just for holding out, as they know city, like united, are daft enough to pay. if united want coleman, a class act in the premier league by the way, not just some kid who might come good, then we want to hold out for 25 - 30 mil

BlueToff · June 28, 2015

-wizard- said:
if it is united after him, remeber every club is rinsing them at the moment. add another 5 - 10m on the price because they are over paying , just because they can. look at liverpool with city. first bid of 25m for sterling, thrown out and it looks like they are going to get 50m just for holding out, as they know city, like united are daft enough to pay. if united want coleman, a class act in the premier league by the way, not just some kid who might come good, then we want to hold out for 25 - 30 mil

We should not be basing our transfer policy on that of the RS, lad! My bet is City will turn their attentions elsewhere, and come back to Sterling at the end of the window. Liverpool will end up accepting £40mil if that happens.

As for Coleman, you are right, though I don't think he'll go this summer personally.

Frank Gallagher · June 28, 2015

BlueToff said:
We should not be basing our transfer policy on that of the RS, lad! My bet is City will turn their attentions elsewhere, and come back to Sterling at the end of the window. Liverpool will end up accepting £40mil if that happens.

As for Coleman, you are right, though I don't think he'll go this summer personally.

im just showing how inflated the market becomes when a club REALLY want a player. they WILL pay. especially when its proven , british players. (sterling hasnt proven sod all yet by the way!)

BlueToff · June 28, 2015

-wizard- said:
im just showing how inflated the market becomes when a club REALLY want a player. they WILL pay. especially when its proven , british players. (sterling hasnt proven sod all yet by the way!)

Oh yeh agree mate. Just with Sterling, and trying to stay on topic, I dunno if it's comparable. He wants to go and Liverpool are trying to hold out for an insane amount, and I do think in the end they'll shoot themselves in the foot - or at least I hope they do! So far, there's been no noises about any of our players wanting to leave, accept Mirallas saying he's considering his future.

Dymak · June 28, 2015

AaronTheBlue said:
Yeah more than a 28m lukaku, (who was forcing the move, so chelsea accepted lower than what they probably expected for him)

Ahhh byram, that proven premier league and international player, yes let's compare him to coleman.

You look at the likes of shaw, you look at the likes of fellaini too for the fees that they went for, we are in absolute NO need to sell, he's one of our best players, he's the best attacking right back in the premier league, he's the best british and irish right back in the premier league by far, so yes he absolutely should be going for 30m and we wouldn't be accepting anything less i hope.

Coleman was playing for Sligo Rovers and probably earning minimum wage before he came to Everton. McCarthy was 'only' playing for Wigan, and the prospect of selling the worlds greatest CDM (Fellaini) for McCarthy was seen as an abhorrent one to most people on here. Fortunately, McCarthy is now the world's greatest CDM, and we have Besic in reserve who is also due to become the word's greatest CDM. So selling Fellaini didn't turn out too badly, and we actually ended up replacing him with a better player for less money, which is something I feel could be easily achieved once again with Coleman

I've got no problem with Everton taking advantage of who the buyer is, just like we did with Manchester United and Fellaini, who ended up paying almost 10 million pound more than Fellaini's buy out clause (the same buy out clause that absolutely NOBODY was interested in activating), but they will be overpaying, drastically, just like they did with Fellaini.

Anyone paying over 20 million for Coleman is being robbed. I'd be absolutely mortified if Everton went out and spent 20 million pound on a player like Seamus Coleman.

LocalNative · June 28, 2015

AaronTheBlue said:
Yeah more than a 28m lukaku, (who was forcing the move, so chelsea accepted lower than what they probably expected for him)

Ahhh byram, that proven premier league and international player, yes let's compare him to coleman.

You look at the likes of shaw, you look at the likes of fellaini too for the fees that they went for, we are in absolute NO need to sell, he's one of our best players, he's the best attacking right back in the premier league, he's the best british and irish right back in the premier league by far, so yes he absolutely should be going for 30m and we wouldn't be accepting anything less i hope.

There's no way Chelsea expected to get more than 28m for Lukaku. As much as my blue tinted glasses are telling me that we should reject every offer on the table unless we get something ludicrous, 20-22m is about the value he is worth. He's a bloody great player, but not irreplaceable. Also, Shaw is young and Felli was a panic buy.

AaronTheBlue · June 28, 2015

Dymak said:
Coleman was playing for Sligo Rovers and probably earning minimum wage before he came to Everton. McCarthy was 'only' playing for Wigan, and the prospect of selling the worlds greatest CDM (Fellaini) for McCarthy was seen as an abhorrent one to most people on here. Fortunately, McCarthy is now the world's greatest CDM, and we have Besic in reserve who is also due to become the word's greatest CDM. So selling Fellaini didn't turn out too badly, and we actually ended up replacing him with a better player for less money, which is something I feel could be easily achieved once again with Coleman

I've got no problem with Everton taking advantage of who the buyer is, just like we did with Manchester United and Fellaini, who ended up paying over 10 million pound than Fellaini's buy out clause (the same buy out clause that absolutely NOBODY was interested in activating), but they will be overpaying, drastically, just like they did with Fellaini.

Anyone paying over 20 million for Coleman is being robbed. I'd be absolutely mortified if Everton went out and spent 20 million pound on a player like Seamus Coleman.

It matters absolutely not a single bit who they were playing for before everton, it matters how they played FOR everton and thats about it.

We're not going to agree, in the current market if you think coleman is only worth 20m we'll never agree.

Dymak · June 28, 2015

AaronTheBlue said:
It matters absolutely not a single bit who they were playing for before everton, it matters how they played FOR everton and thats about it.

We're not going to agree, in the current market if you think coleman is only worth 20m we'll never agree.

The point being that you are turning your nose up at very highly rated youngsters in the Championship because they have no Premiership experience, even when Coleman was playing at a level far worse than the Championship before he came to Everton.

You are right, when you are valuing Coleman at a higher price than Lukaku and Firmino, we are never going to agree.

AaronTheBlue · June 28, 2015

Dymak said:
The point being that you are turning your nose up at very highly rated youngsters in the Championship because they have no Premiership experience, even when Coleman was playing at a level far worse than the Championship before he came to Everton.

You are right, when you are valuing Coleman at a higher price than Lukaku and Firmino, we are never going to agree.

I'm not turning my nose up at them at all, infact i've actively said i want us to sign young players, specifically from the championship...

I scoffed at you comparing them in price, i don't care where a player comes from as long as they do their job.

But coleman is miles ahead of byram (who hasn't even had that great of a season) and if you rate byram at 10m then coleman is definitely worth 30m.

AaronTheBlue · June 28, 2015

By the way firmino has done absolutely nothing in the premier league, for all we know that 28 million could be the biggest rip off of the season, coleman has played four years in the premier league as the top attacking right back, so wait and see how firmino even does before you brandy him around like he's some world class talent

Eggs · June 28, 2015

....Coleman is worth what we are prepared to sell him for and whatever United are prepared to pay. The blur comes if United look to offset with fringe players they no longer want. A huge bonus is that the boy has 4 years left on his contract.