Summer Transfer Window 2019

[TheBigIguana]

Torreira came off a full season, the world cup, into a team in transition with a new manager and was hot/cold in a new league.

He's a FAR FAR FAR better player than Gana.

This season he'll be ridiculously good. Id swap them in a heartbeat.


Now, as for our own players...


Sigurdsson is a shoe in and i think the majority of posters would agree that he isnt great at CM. He will stay in a somewhat '2nd striker' position.

That leaves us with Gomes and ANother in central midfield.

I really cant see us going for another Gana 'type'.

My view is that there will be 2 types of player we will go for:


1 -- Someone like a Schneiderlin (perhaps Sosa arrives) with top potential. That player can work in our current system and in a 433 system as we evolve.

2 -- A box to box player who is someone like a Sangare (massive) who can also fit into a 433 seamlessly.


I actually think we would sign both of these types if Gana was sold. Dare i say Sosa and Sangare.

Toreirra might be better next season. But you are saying he is better right now, today and he is not. I agree those two are good targets but selling Gueye to get them wilm set us back 6 months at a minimum while they adjust. And that assumes that they end up being good enough.

 

[CRIMHEAD]

He's literally the only player over 25 I probably wouldn't sell for 30m in the squad. Not that we have many worth anywhere close but the point is I like the buy young and develop strategy in pretty much every case but the case where we sell Gueye to do it is the one I don't.

Torreira came off a full season, the world cup, into a team in transition with a new manager and was hot/cold in a new league.

He's a FAR FAR FAR better player than Gana.

This season he'll be ridiculously good. Id swap them in a heartbeat.


Now, as for our own players...


Sigurdsson is a shoe in and i think the majority of posters would agree that he isnt great at CM. He will stay in a somewhat '2nd striker' position.

That leaves us with Gomes and ANother in central midfield.

I really cant see us going for another Gana 'type'.

My view is that there will be 2 types of player we will go for:


1 -- Someone like a Schneiderlin (perhaps Sosa arrives) with top potential. That player can work in our current system and in a 433 system as we evolve.

2 -- A box to box player who is someone like a Sangare (massive) who can also fit into a 433 seamlessly.


I actually think we would sign both of these types if Gana was sold. Dare i say Sosa and Sangare.

We should buy them both and keep Gana. It isn't an either or. We should sell Schneiderlin and buy both those two. You sell Gana you still have the same problem.

 

[Zatara]

Toreirra might be better next season. But you are saying he is better right now, today and he is not. I agree those two are good targets but selling Gueye to get them wilm set us back 6 months at a minimum while they adjust. And that assumes that they end up being good enough.

He's a better player coming off a season + world cup in a new team and league with a new manager.

Better player 100%.

We should buy them both and keep Gana. It isn't an either or. We should sell Schneiderlin and buy both those two. You sell Gana you still have the same problem.

There is no way we will sign players for approaching £50mil to be 2nd and 3rd choices behind Gana.

Even if by some miracle they were persuaded to join and not start and over the season became starters....Ganas value at 31 will be pennies.

Totally obtuse to think otherwise imo

 

[TheBigIguana]

He's a better player coming off a season + world cup in a new team and league with a new manager.

Better player 100%.



There is no way we will sign players for approaching £50mil to be 2nd and 3rd choices behind Gana.

Even if by some miracle they were persuaded to join and not start and over the season became starters....Ganas value at 31 will be pennies.

Totally obtuse to think otherwise imo

By what standard is he better? He's a much worse defensive player. They were relatively similar passing in midfield. Torreira has a slight edge passing in the final third but Idrissa isn't really asked to do that. Torreira did score twice. He also had one of the most horrific tackles of the season.

So I'm curious as to what exactly he is so much better at that I've missed. I've watched them both play and it isn't close for me. Arsenal's midfield was so poor this season that they made Xhaka look class at times. Maybe you've fallen for the fact that Torreira tends to make some flashy plays at times, I mean he scored an overhead kick, and missed the fact that he isn't a particularly effective player which is really what counts when you play defensive midfield.

 

[Zatara]

By what standard is he better? He's a much worse defensive player. They were relatively similar passing in midfield. Torreira has a slight edge passing in the final third but Idrissa isn't really asked to do that. Torreira did score twice. He also had one of the most horrific tackles of the season.

So I'm curious as to what exactly he is so much better at that I've missed. I've watched them both play and it isn't close for me. Arsenal's midfield was so poor this season that they made Xhaka look class at times. Maybe you've fallen for the fact that Torreira tends to make some flashy plays at times, I mean he scored an overhead kick, and missed the fact that he isn't a particularly effective player which is really what counts when you play defensive midfield.

Much worse defensive player is stretch, but similar passing ability is mindboggling.

Youre right in one thing, not even close ability wise...Torreira was one of the best players in his age group in Italy...wonder why that was?

 

[TheBigIguana]

Taking some liberties with signing here that probably aren't as close as we like to think we could start the season with an XI of

Pickford
Coleman Keane Zouma Digne
Gomes Gueye
Malcom Gylfi Richarlison
Kean

If that happens, and I fully expect it won't, we would have an XI that is competitive for 4th best in the league behind City, RS and Spurs. And people think now is a good time to sell Gana and try to make a play for later? If you take him out and put in even someone who people rate like Sangare and Barrios we drop off and that 4th place opportunity might just go to. We can make forward looking decisions without being to detrimental to the present.

 

[CRIMHEAD]

Toreirra might be better next season. But you are saying he is better right now, today and he is not. I agree those two are good targets but selling Gueye to get them wilm set us back 6 months at a minimum while they adjust. And that assumes that they end up being good enough.

I think Zat is massively overrating Toreirra. He's a good player, don't get me wrong, but better than Gana? Come on. Arsenal weren't a good defensive team last year and it's not like he contributes much to the offense - at least not as much as someone like Gana. I wonder if people realize how much more expansive Gana's passing game was last year and how many more forward passes he made than a guy that has a reputation as a good passer of the ball in Toreirra. I also wonder if people realize that Arsenal was the worst team in the PL at winning aerial duels, so having a midget like that guy in the center of the pitch didn't help.

But if anyone seriously thinks Toreirra could come in place of Gana and make us better, I think you are crazy. Part of it again is just fit, though, it's not just that Toreirra is bad.

Part of that is indeed a problem, though. That I agree with. We need more versatility in midfield. We can't be forced to play 3 players without any positional flexibility. But I fail to see what that has to do with selling Gana. Gana isn't the cause of the issues in midfield, he isn't the one who is limited.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Much worse defensive player is stretch, but similar passing ability is mindboggling.

Youre right in one thing, not even close ability wise...Torreira was one of the best players in his age group in Italy...wonder why that was?

Gueye's passing is so underrated by Evertonians it's scary. I can go into it deeper but you have to tell me whether you do stats first or not because I'm not wasting my time explaining what I see if you don't.

And for the "stats mean nothing" folks I've watched both the players I'm just using stats to back up what I see during the matches.

 

[CRIMHEAD]

Much worse defensive player is stretch, but similar passing ability is mindboggling.

Youre right in one thing, not even close ability wise...Torreira was one of the best players in his age group in Italy...wonder why that was?

Other than the fact that Torreira doesn't pass it forward as often, doesn't pass it farther as often, doesn't create as much for his teammates, doesn't pass it into the final third even CLOSE to as often, yeah...I personally think those are pretty important things as a passer. Maybe you don't.

 

[TheBigIguana]

I think Zat is massively overrating Toreirra. He's a good player, don't get me wrong, but better than Gana? Come on. Arsenal weren't a good defensive team last year and it's not like he contributes much to the offense - at least not as much as someone like Gana. I wonder if people realize how much more expansive Gana's passing game was last year and how many more forward passes he made than a guy that has a reputation as a good passer of the ball in Toreirra. I also wonder if people realize that Arsenal was the worst team in the PL at winning aerial duels, so having a midget like that guy in the center of the pitch didn't help.

But if anyone seriously thinks Toreirra could come in place of Gana and make us better, I think you are crazy. Part of it again is just fit, though, it's not just that Toreirra is bad.

Part of that is indeed a problem, though. That I agree with. We need more versatility in midfield. We can't be forced to play 3 players without any positional flexibility. But I fail to see what that has to do with selling Gana. Gana isn't the cause of the issues in midfield, he isn't the one who is limited.

People really really don't realize this. I'm not saying Gueye was a top notch passer but he was pretty solid at moving the ball forward. In fact just passing he was in my view as good as Gomes. Gomes just adds a dribbling element that Gana doesn't and obviously his being competent made a huge difference for Gueye by relieving some pressure. But overall this old narrative that Gueye is a poor passer is just so far off the mark that I can't believe it is still going on.

And seriously if Xhaka is a better midfielder than you over the course of the season then you haven't been that good. I liked Torreira when they signed him but he was in my view not great last year. There is the league adjustment factor and obviously he could get better with some familiarity but to emphatically say he is better than Gueye right here today is nuts to me.

 

[CRIMHEAD]

Gueye's passing is so underrated by Evertonians it's scary. I can go into it deeper but you have to tell me whether you do stats first or not because I'm not wasting my time explaining what I see if you don't.

And for the "stats mean nothing" folks I've watched both the players I'm just using stats to back up what I see during the matches.

The stats aren't even close. But you'd know that if you watched them both play.

 

[CRIMHEAD]

Darn it, I thought this was the Gana thread. Apologies for pushing off topic.

That being said, if he goes, besides Sangare, there are other player out there that would be interesting to be brought in.

I think we'd go one of two ways...super young w/ high ceiling (Samassekou, Soumare - I also loved Sosa and Bruno Guimaraes from Paranaese, but that's a big jump) or guys that would be affordable, but have some positional adaptability - N'Diaye, Tameze, Cyprien, all who we've been linked with, shouldn't be too expensive and they are all pretty good players that give us a bit of something different.

Some of these other guys that would be interesting would just STILL Be expensive - even the guys going down like Billings or Anguissa, or guys like Gbamin or Denis Zakaria - for what you'd be getting.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Darn it, I thought this was the Gana thread. Apologies for pushing off topic.

That being said, if he goes, besides Sangare, there are other player out there that would be interesting to be brought in.

I think we'd go one of two ways...super young w/ high ceiling (Samassekou, Soumare - I also loved Sosa and Bruno Guimaraes from Paranaese, but that's a big jump) or guys that would be affordable, but have some positional adaptability - N'Diaye, Tameze, Cyprien, all who we've been linked with, shouldn't be too expensive and they are all pretty good players that give us a bit of something different.

Some of these other guys that would be interesting would just STILL Be expensive - even the guys going down like Billings or Anguissa, or guys like Gbamin or Denis Zakaria - for what you'd be getting.

Likewise I got my threads confused. Apologies.

Since Sosa looks off I'd take something similar and worry about finding a true replacement for Gueye next summer. Without selling him first.

 

[Eggs]

....it’s Friday 12th July, and here’s this morning’s Toffee transfer rumour round-up;

- According to L’Equippe, PSG have renewed their interest in Everton midfielder, Idrissa Gueye with an opening €30m (£27m) bid, but that is unlikely to persuade the Toffees to sell the 29 year old who is contracted until 2022.

- Italian journalist, Fabrizio Romano say it’s good news for Everton that Juventus striker Moise Kean will not be included in any deal between the Serie A champions and Ajax for Matthijs de Ligt. Tuttosport reckon Juventus will not sell the 19 year old for less than £35.9m.

- Everton’s Official Site has confirmed season long loan deals for: Midfielder Kieran Dowell who has joined Derby’s training camp in Florida: 19 year old goalkeeper, Joao Virginia who has joined Championship side, Reading: and 18 year old forward Korede Adedoyin who has just signed his first professional contract ahead of joining Scottish club, Hamilton Academicals.

- TeamTalk are reporting Hull City are winning the race to sign Everton winger Josh Bowler on loan. Birmingham City, Derby County and Middlesbrough are all keen on the 20 year old. Meanwhile, TWTD say Toffees full-back, Luke Garbutt, is closing in on a loan move to Ipswich Town.

- The Mirror suggest West Ham are exploring a move for Diego Costa after losing out to Valencia for the signature of Maxi Gómez. Everton and Wolves are also linked with the 30 year old Atletico Madrid forward.

- The Daily Mail claims RB Leipzig are in advanced talks with Everton over a permanent move for Ademola Lookman and the deal is close to being agreed. Journalist, Paul Joyce, suggests Everton rejected an opening £15m bid for the winger.

- According to Yahoo in Brazil, Everton target David Neres is set to sign a bumper new deal with Ajax. Also, there are articles picking up on recent links with forwards, Nicolas Pépé of Lille and Barcelona’s Malcom.

 

[Zatara]

@Eggs also worth a mention that @Boss Silva stated the Lookman deal is done at £22mil flat fee (no clauses)...