Summer Transfer Window 2019

[Huyton Layne]

Dream no, business model yes.

Selling a soon to be 30 year old that we bought for 7m and selling for 30m+ And using the money to buy his replacement with some change left over on less wages.

That Is exactly how brands wants to run our club. Buy a player cheap, develop them and then sell them at a premium, using that money to reinvest in the squad and bringing the next player through, Like a conveyor belt.

Don't think it can work? Look at them lot across the park.

Not similar at all. The RS lose their best players to top teams. They don't sell when a player that works in their system reaches 29. They have Jordan Henderson at 29, had him for 7 years or so and there are no rumbles about him going anywhere or being replaced because he's integral to their system and they want to win things.

 

[Westend Blue]

Not similar at all. The RS lose their best players to top teams. They don't sell when a player that works in their system reaches 29. They have Jordan Henderson at 29, had him for 7 years or so and there are no rumbles about him going anywhere or being replaced because he's integral to their system and they want to win things.

Hendo sits in that perfect bracket where he’s a good enough player for them but not good enough for teams to try and push to sign him teams don’t want to buy a 50 plus mil James Milner

 

[Goat]

The problem is you can't think exclusively long term. I advocate for trying out the young players for no real reason other than seeing what they have all the time. I want to see the club purchase players with long term ability to grow. But at the same time we can't totally torpedo the team we are going to put on the field this season and that's what I think this would be. The entire system out of possession functions because of Gana. Losing him means a new system has to be developed just to get by. Maybe in time it could be better but to start next year we would be learning all over again and throw away the chance at continuity from last year that we have because we brought Gomes back. Last year Gana started 33 games. We shipped 13 goals in the other 5 and two were against Huddersfield. We would have a problem if he left.

With respect, baring in mind how much ive said I think Gana is a wonderful player, sitting infront of the defence and mopping up isnt a hard job. Not many do it is as well as Gana, but I think we would be ok.

 

[Zatara]

I just don't know who could just jump in there and makes us better.

Could I see a terrific squad without Gana? Sure. But admittedly as I've said way too often, I just don't see Sigurdsson and Gomes in the same midfield even WITH Gana.

But sure, there are talented young DMs/CMs out there that might give us different looks. Sangare is definitely one who can tackle and will push tempo and create more than Gana, but not sure when he'll get there in the PL. I like a TON of young defensive oriented mids and could rattle off 6 or 7 names of young players I love, but not sure when or if they'll even get to Gana's level. There just aren't that many players out there quite as good as he is.

Its not about who can make us better today.

Its about the team evolving over the next couple of seasons into a consistent top 4 challenger.

Selling Gana has other benefits such as bringing in a different system in the centre and signing two younger players with high potential like sangare) who can push us up another level as they develop.

Chelsea kicked the tires on him awhile ago. Man U was in for him before PSG was.

But yeah, you just hit the nail on the head. Both Siggy/Gomes have limitations. It's a tough task to find someone that can make up for those limitations.

There havent been any public bids for Gana from United or Chelsea.

What we need to do is build a new midfield. Gomes is the first in and over the next couple of seasons both Gana and Sigurdsson wont be in the team anyway so it makes sense to lose Gana now while we can take a big fee.

If someone offered similar for Sigurdsson i think he would be sold as well.

Thought Garbutt was off to Oxford or Ipswich, seemed pretty nailed on that

Remembers source :- Toffee TV -

I quoted east anglian daily times as saying yesterday a years loan was close to take Garbutt to end of contract....going to ipswich.

Dream no, business model yes.

Selling a soon to be 30 year old that we bought for 7m and selling for 30m+ And using the money to buy his replacement with some change left over on less wages.

That Is exactly how brands wants to run our club. Buy a player cheap, develop them and then sell them at a premium, using that money to reinvest in the squad and bringing the next player through, Like a conveyor belt.

Don't think it can work? Look at them lot across the park.

I dont think this is necessarily true. I think Moshiri will want us to keep our best players unless offers are silly and we can see the team developing.

Gana isnt a brands signing and i dont see him or a few others fitting into a system which Silva/Brands have favoured in the past.

 

[TheBigIguana]

With respect, baring in mind how much ive said I think Gana is a wonderful player, sitting infront of the defence and mopping up isnt a hard job. Not many do it is as well as Gana, but I think we would be ok.

You say that yet Arsenal don't have anyone, United still try to use Matic, Spurs just spent 60m on someone who at least in part is doing that and PSG are going to spend 30m on Gana to find someone who can do it because they haven't been able to fully replace Thiago Motta. And City have also spent big in this area.

That said replacing him with someone who can make us functional isn't hard but finding someone who can fully cover Gomes and Sigurdsson the way Gana did will be. Which is the whole continuity thing. The understanding between players and what Gomes and Sigurdsson can and can't do will change. The CBs will have to learn as well. And worst case we might have to completely rework our shape.

If it were just losing the player 30m would make sense but him leaving creates a bunch of other issues that honestly we should try to avoid to the point of asking for much more money. The best way to phase him out is with him still around to do his work when needed.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Its not about who can make us better today.

Its about the team evolving over the next couple of seasons into a consistent top 4 challenger.

Selling Gana has other benefits such as bringing in a different system in the centre and signing two younger players with high potential like sangare) who can push us up another level as they develop.



There havent been any public bids for Gana from United or Chelsea.

What we need to do is build a new midfield. Gomes is the first in and over the next couple of seasons both Gana and Sigurdsson wont be in the team anyway so it makes sense to lose Gana now while we can take a big fee.

If someone offered similar for Sigurdsson i think he would be sold as well.



I quoted east anglian daily times as saying yesterday a years loan was close to take Garbutt to end of contract....going to ipswich.



I dont think this is necessarily true. I think Moshiri will want us to keep our best players unless offers are silly and we can see the team developing.

Gana isnt a brands signing and i dont see him or a few others fitting into a system which Silva/Brands have favoured in the past.

We arent ready to play that system yet though. I think Gana would do fine but even if they feel they need to replace him they would also need to replace Sigurdsson who definitely doesn't fit. I think this season at least will be 4231 again.

 

[Goat]

You say that yet Arsenal don't have anyone, United still try to use Matic, Spurs just spent 60m on someone who at least in part is doing that and PSG are going to spend 30m on Gana to find someone who can do it because they haven't been able to fully replace Thiago Motta. And City have also spent big in this area.

That said replacing him with someone who can make us functional isn't hard but finding someone who can fully cover Gomes and Sigurdsson the way Gana did will be. Which is the whole continuity thing. The understanding between players and what Gomes and Sigurdsson can and can't do will change. The CBs will have to learn as well. And worst case we might have to completely rework our shape.

If it were just losing the player 30m would make sense but him leaving creates a bunch of other issues that honestly we should try to avoid to the point of asking for much more money. The best way to phase him out is with him still around to do his work when needed.

I get all this, but honestly I think my biggest fear is keeping an unhappy Gana. I still have nightmares of Lescott against Arsenal.

Long term thinking, we sell him.

 

[TheBigIguana]

I get all this, but honestly I think my biggest fear is keeping an unhappy Gana. I still have nightmares of Lescott against Arsenal.

Long term thinking, we sell him.

It's just tough for me because 30m isn't that much where we can really revatalize the squad and it is a major hit to this year. I don't want to see us throw a season with potential away this early.

 

[Goat]

It's just tough for me because 30m isn't that much where we can really revatalize the squad and it is a major hit to this year. I don't want to see us throw a season with potential away this early.

30m is nothing money, its 1 and half Solankes OR 1 and half Dignes!!!!

Im not stupid, expecting Brands to keep plucking Dignes out the sky is a tough ask.

But we shall see how this ends up.

 

[Zatara]

The problem is you can't think exclusively long term. I advocate for trying out the young players for no real reason other than seeing what they have all the time. I want to see the club purchase players with long term ability to grow. But at the same time we can't totally torpedo the team we are going to put on the field this season and that's what I think this would be. The entire system out of possession functions because of Gana. Losing him means a new system has to be developed just to get by. Maybe in time it could be better but to start next year we would be learning all over again and throw away the chance at continuity from last year that we have because we brought Gomes back. Last year Gana started 33 games. We shipped 13 goals in the other 5 and two were against Huddersfield. We would have a problem if he left.

I think thats a little simplistic.

If Gana was out and replaced by Casemiro then i think we'd be fine lol

It just says to me that theres no quality depth.

I take the view that id prefer 2 ultra high potential players rather then one very good limited one.

You say that yet Arsenal don't have anyone, United still try to use Matic, Spurs just spent 60m on someone who at least in part is doing that and PSG are going to spend 30m on Gana to find someone who can do it because they haven't been able to fully replace Thiago Motta. And City have also spent big in this area.

That said replacing him with someone who can make us functional isn't hard but finding someone who can fully cover Gomes and Sigurdsson the way Gana did will be. Which is the whole continuity thing. The understanding between players and what Gomes and Sigurdsson can and can't do will change. The CBs will have to learn as well. And worst case we might have to completely rework our shape.

If it were just losing the player 30m would make sense but him leaving creates a bunch of other issues that honestly we should try to avoid to the point of asking for much more money. The best way to phase him out is with him still around to do his work when needed.

Arsenal have Torreira who is better.
RS have a weird midfield
City have Fernandinho
Spurs may play Ndombele there
Chelsea have Kante / Jorginho
United bought Fred


Aside from United were weaker than every team.

Torreira will be top notch this season and i expect we will sign someone who, like him, takes a season to adapt.

We arent ready to play that system yet though. I think Gana would do fine but even if they feel they need to replace him they would also need to replace Sigurdsson who definitely doesn't fit. I think this season at least will be 4231 again.

Gana hasnt got the technical ability for a quality 433.

Sigurdsson is usually a ghost

Too much drama to sell both, one out isnt very disruptive.

It's just tough for me because 30m isn't that much where we can really revatalize the squad and it is a major hit to this year. I don't want to see us throw a season with potential away this early.

£30mil in as almost all pure profit is huge on the balance sheet when it comes to book values...

We can spend multiples of that.

 

[TheBigIguana]

I think thats a little simplistic.

If Gana was out and replaced by Casemiro then i think we'd be fine lol

It just says to me that theres no quality depth.

I take the view that id prefer 2 ultra high potential players rather then one very good limited one.



Arsenal have Torreira who is better.
RS have a weird midfield
City have Fernandinho
Spurs may play Ndombele there
Chelsea have Kante / Jorginho
United bought Fred


Aside from United were weaker than every team.

Torreira will be top notch this season and i expect we will sign someone who, like him, takes a season to adapt.



Gana hasnt got the technical ability for a quality 433.

Sigurdsson is usually a ghost

Too much drama to sell both, one out isnt very disruptive.



£30mil in as almost all pure profit is huge on the balance sheet when it comes to book values...

We can spend multiples of that.

Toreirra was absolute crap for a lot of this year. Just because people think he will improve doesn't mean he actually will. Ndombele is probably better but he also hasn't played outside France. I think you sell Gana short on the ball. If he was as bad as you say PSG wouldn't be signing him. And last year his passing was fine. Not far off what Gomes produced, maybe not as flashy, but just as effective.

And if you go to the thread specific to Gueye I posted an article saying why Gana out might just be very disruptive. I'm not really sure why signing Casemiro is even mentioned because that's the whole problem. The players who could step straight in are mostly tough to get.

 

[carolinablue232]

I think thats a little simplistic.

If Gana was out and replaced by Casemiro then i think we'd be fine lol

It just says to me that theres no quality depth.

I take the view that id prefer 2 ultra high potential players rather then one very good limited one.



Arsenal have Torreira who is better.
RS have a weird midfield
City have Fernandinho
Spurs may play Ndombele there
Chelsea have Kante / Jorginho
United bought Fred


Aside from United were weaker than every team.

Torreira will be top notch this season and i expect we will sign someone who, like him, takes a season to adapt.



Gana hasnt got the technical ability for a quality 433.

Sigurdsson is usually a ghost

Too much drama to sell both, one out isnt very disruptive.



£30mil in as almost all pure profit is huge on the balance sheet when it comes to book values...

We can spend multiples of that.

Honestly the fact that you still think Torreira is a better player is too much.

 

[CRIMHEAD]

Torreira is not better than Gana, nor could him being in that midfield improve us.

30M is nothing.

Look, the BETTER move would be to keep Gana, sell Morgan, McCarthy, Besic, who would probably fetch 15-20M, lose 2x Gana's Salary, and two young, cheaper midfielders that would make us more versatile like Sangare and Santiago Sosa / Bruno Guimares / Boubakary Soumare or someone like that.

I'm all for selling our aging players, but man, not when we've got literally no one that can replicate what he does.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Torreira is not better than Gana, nor could him being in that midfield improve us.

30M is nothing.

Look, the BETTER move would be to keep Gana, sell Morgan, McCarthy, Besic, who would probably fetch 15-20M, lose 2x Gana's Salary, and two young, cheaper midfielders that would make us more versatile like Sangare and Santiago Sosa / Bruno Guimares / Boubakary Soumare or someone like that.

I'm all for selling our aging players, but man, not when we've got literally no one that can replicate what he does.

He's literally the only player over 25 I probably wouldn't sell for 30m in the squad. Not that we have many worth anywhere close but the point is I like the buy young and develop strategy in pretty much every case but the case where we sell Gueye to do it is the one I don't.

 

[Zatara]

Toreirra was absolute crap for a lot of this year. Just because people think he will improve doesn't mean he actually will. Ndombele is probably better but he also hasn't played outside France. I think you sell Gana short on the ball. If he was as bad as you say PSG wouldn't be signing him. And last year his passing was fine. Not far off what Gomes produced, maybe not as flashy, but just as effective.

And if you go to the thread specific to Gueye I posted an article saying why Gana out might just be very disruptive. I'm not really sure why signing Casemiro is even mentioned because that's the whole problem. The players who could step straight in are mostly tough to get.

Honestly the fact that you still think Torreira is a better player is too much.

Torreira is not better than Gana, nor could him being in that midfield improve us.

30M is nothing.

Look, the BETTER move would be to keep Gana, sell Morgan, McCarthy, Besic, who would probably fetch 15-20M, lose 2x Gana's Salary, and two young, cheaper midfielders that would make us more versatile like Sangare and Santiago Sosa / Bruno Guimares / Boubakary Soumare or someone like that.

I'm all for selling our aging players, but man, not when we've got literally no one that can replicate what he does.

Torreira came off a full season, the world cup, into a team in transition with a new manager and was hot/cold in a new league.

He's a FAR FAR FAR better player than Gana.

This season he'll be ridiculously good. Id swap them in a heartbeat.


Now, as for our own players...


Sigurdsson is a shoe in and i think the majority of posters would agree that he isnt great at CM. He will stay in a somewhat '2nd striker' position.

That leaves us with Gomes and ANother in central midfield.

I really cant see us going for another Gana 'type'.

My view is that there will be 2 types of player we will go for:


1 -- Someone like a Schneiderlin (perhaps Sosa arrives) with top potential. That player can work in our current system and in a 433 system as we evolve.

2 -- A box to box player who is someone like a Sangare (massive) who can also fit into a 433 seamlessly.


I actually think we would sign both of these types if Gana was sold. Dare i say Sosa and Sangare.