Summer Transfer Window 2019

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Macgregor is a decent player

Wouldn't sign him for us or anything, but he's perfectly cromulent a player at that level

 

[CRIMHEAD]

Does Siggy not play most of his career for Iceland in CM? Also he's decent at tackling and contributing defensively so surely he could slot in alright as an 8. In fact wouldn't having those abilities make him more suited to that role than a 10? Regarding the 6 role, if Gana's positional awareness was better he'd have all the attributes to play there but we don't know if he does or doesn't have the positional awareness as under Koeman Schneiderlin played that role and under Silva it seems like he's never been asked to play that role, he seems to operate more as an 8 at times (in terms of hassling the opponent, not being static, winning the ball and carrying it forward to create attacking opportunities) unless thats just his lack of discipline and awareness or something

I agree with much of this. Frankly, I don't WANT Gana as a sitting 6. I want him doing what you suggest. I also want another DM/CM that can do a bit of what Gana can do so that they can just both do that type of thing and push forward off the counter. It would be nice to have someone that could do both (hint hint Sangare). I think there are others that can play both roles, too. Denis Zakaria is one - smart, good positional sense, good athlete, can progress the ball quickly, too.

 

[Stephenlloyd]

Does Siggy not play most of his career for Iceland in CM? Also he's decent at tackling and contributing defensively so surely he could slot in alright as an 8. In fact wouldn't having those abilities make him more suited to that role than a 10? Regarding the 6 role, if Gana's positional awareness was better he'd have all the attributes to play there but we don't know if he does or doesn't have the positional awareness as under Koeman Schneiderlin played that role and under Silva it seems like he's never been asked to play that role, he seems to operate more as an 8 at times (in terms of hassling the opponent, not being static, winning the ball and carrying it forward to create attacking opportunities) unless thats just his lack of discipline and awareness or something

He never played CM for anyone. And is he a decent tackler? I wouldn’t know. Yes he works hard, but working hard high up the the pitch, pressing and hassling. To all of sudden tacking, tracking runners and showing positional awareness of a midfielder, Is a totally different world.

And same with Gana, he’s great at what he does, but hasn’t the discipline to just sit in front of the centre backs. You would also lose the best parts of his game. So it wouldn’t make sense. Also you need your number 6 to be very good in possession and be able to not only bring to ball out, but be a great long passer to.

 

[USABlue]

Would love Gomes and Neres to get us going

 

[BrendanGOT]

I agree with much of this. Frankly, I don't WANT Gana as a sitting 6. I want him doing what you suggest. I also want another DM/CM that can do a bit of what Gana can do so that they can just both do that type of thing and push forward off the counter. It would be nice to have someone that could do both (hint hint Sangare). I think there are others that can play both roles, too. Denis Zakaria is one - smart, good positional sense, good athlete, can progress the ball quickly, too.

I updated the original post slightly mate. I do think we could get close to that with what we have with a mix of Siggy, Gomes, Gana and Schneiderlin (on form) as a midfield 3. Regarding what u say about having a MF to compliment Gana, I do think MS on form could be that player but he just seems uninterested in playing for us... Regarding Gana, he is obviously suited better to being more of an 8 than a 6 hence why managers past and current have utilised him in that way altho if it came to it, and I could be wrong, with his qualities, I'm sure he could do a job as a 6 also but would probably be wasting his other strengths suited to playing as an 8.

 

[Zatara]

I don’t think siggurdsson could play deeper, when he’s played high up the pitch all his career. You need to have an understanding of the midfield position.

Also to play 433, to play the midfield 3 you need a specialist number 6 which we don’t have, maybe signing this Sosa is a sign of how Brands & Silva see the team moving forward.

Does Siggy not play most of his career for Iceland in CM? Also he's decent at tackling and contributing defensively so surely he could slot in alright as an 8. In fact wouldn't having those abilities make him more suited to that role than a 10? Regarding the 6 role, if Gana's positional awareness was better he'd have all the attributes to play there but we don't know if he does or doesn't have the positional awareness as under Koeman Schneiderlin played that role and under Silva it seems like he's never been asked to play that role, he seems to operate more as an 8 at times (in terms of hassling the opponent, not being static, winning the ball and carrying it forward to create attacking opportunities) unless thats just his lack of discipline and awareness or something

Edit: Regarding Sosa, barely anyone in here has seen him play any games of note, me included, so unless you know something we don't I can't see him slotting in immediately as the specialist 6 you speak of... Not having a go but just think that its highly unlikely that this kid, who's barely played first team footie is gonna be a specialist 6 for EFC all of a sudden, yet Siggy hasn't a clue or understanding of how to play as a CM. Far more likely that Gana or Schneiderlin (to peoples dismay) will play that role if we chose that formation.

That's not entirely true, he played deeper with Iceland. Beyond that, why does everyone think he can't play deeper? He has a couple times with us when Morgan has been at the 6 and Gana at the 8. He has passing range. He has vision. He can score from deeper, that's for sure. He can defense, he's good positionally. I just don't think he's the problem.

You also don't have to have a true 6 as Silva explained when he got here. You DO have to have two defensive mids to play behind that deeper lying playmaker type. The issue to me isn't Sigurdsson, but the lack of two competent DMs that can not just play defensively, but move forward. Gana can at least move the ball forward as can Gomes, but Gomes can't cover half the field and force a quick counter.

But yes, I think he'd prefer to play with a 6. Schneiderlin just ain't it.

I dont see Sigurdsson as a CM.


I agree with @Stephenlloyd that Sigurdsson will be phased out this season.

Wouldnt be surprised to see this to begin with:

CF
Bernard Sigurdsson Richarlison
​

Then if we sign Neres, a gradual change to:

CF
Bernard Neres Richarlison
​

And finally

Bernard Richarlison Neres
​

 

[Stephenlloyd]

That's not entirely true, he played deeper with Iceland. Beyond that, why does everyone think he can't play deeper? He has a couple times with us when Morgan has been at the 6 and Gana at the 8. He has passing range. He has vision. He can score from deeper, that's for sure. He can defense, he's good positionally. I just don't think he's the problem.

You also don't have to have a true 6 as Silva explained when he got here. You DO have to have two defensive mids to play behind that deeper lying playmaker type. The issue to me isn't Sigurdsson, but the lack of two competent DMs that can not just play defensively, but move forward. Gana can at least move the ball forward as can Gomes, but Gomes can't cover half the field and force a quick counter.

But yes, I think he'd prefer to play with a 6. Schneiderlin just ain't it.

Be serious when have you seen him play deep, you’re having a laugh. What when we’ve been chasing a game and thrown 3 forwards on for the last 10mins. You’re working on a very small sample size to say, he can defend and is positionally aware of a natural midfielder.

He spent most of last season as a split striker. He hasn’t got the pace to play deep and get up the pitch to support. And to say he’s got vision and can pass, his stats from open play through out his career are nothing special, he’s hardly some world class playmaker.

 

[BrendanGOT]

He never played CM for anyone. And is he a decent tackler? I wouldn’t know. Yes he works hard, but working hard high up the the pitch, pressing and hassling. To all of sudden tacking, tracking runners and showing positional awareness of a midfielder, Is a totally different world.

And same with Gana, he’s great at what he does, but hasn’t the discipline to just sit in front of the centre backs. You would also lose the best parts of his game. So it wouldn’t make sense. Also you need your number 6 to be very good in possession and be able to not only bring to ball out, but be a great long passer to.

Why ya talking keek for? He played 6 times in CM this season alone and compared to Gomes who plays deeper than him his defensive contribution is far better, see below:

 

[Goat]

Wouldn't sign him for us or anything, but he's perfectly cromulent a player at that level

Crumuwhat????????

 

[summerisle]

Crumuwhat????????

 

[BrendanGOT]

I dont see Sigurdsson as a CM.


I agree with @Stephenlloyd that Sigurdsson will be phased out this season.

Wouldnt be surprised to see this to begin with:

CF
Bernard Sigurdsson Richarlison
​

Then if we sign Neres, a gradual change to:

CF
Bernard Neres Richarlison
​

And finally

Bernard Richarlison Neres
​

I think we'll take a chance and Richy will be our CF next season. We'll buy a left footed winger, a RB, Gomes, Zouma (or another CB) and that's it bar younger players with potential. Unless we sell key players. Siggurdson has all the qualities to play as a CM imo and the stats can back it up. I don't think he'll be phased out personally, he's a good player, we spent a wedge on him, he works hard and contributes offensively and defensively, I think he'll get moved deeper if we get a better number 10 but definitely not phased out til he's done as a player. That's just my opinion of course not fact.

 

[CRIMHEAD]

I updated the original post slightly mate. I do think we could get close to that with what we have with a mix of Siggy, Gomes, Gana and Schneiderlin (on form) as a midfield 3. Regarding what u say about having a MF to compliment Gana, I do think MS on form could be that player but he just seems uninterested in playing for us... Regarding Gana, he is obviously suited better to being more of an 8 than a 6 hence why managers past and current have utilised him in that way altho if it came to it, and I could be wrong, with his qualities, I'm sure he could do a job as a 6 also but would probably be wasting his other strengths suited to playing as an 8.

I just don't see Morgan being good enough. He's super expensive, too. I believe he'll be moved, though, for those reasons.

 

[Stephenlloyd]

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Why ya talking keek for? He played 6 times in CM this season alone and compared to Gomes who plays deeper than him his defensive contribution is far better, see below:

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You can show me as many stats as you like, but he never has and never will be a centre midfielder. I would be interested to find out them 6 games he apparently played in midfield. Unless it was when we played 3 x CB abs wing backs. And they’ve classed him as midfielder.

Anyway there is no way Marcel Brands will build his Everton team moving forward, by contemplating putting a 31/32yr old siggurdsson into midfield.

 

[BrendanGOT]

Be serious when have you seen him play deep, you’re having a laugh. What when we’ve been chasing a game and thrown 3 forwards on for the last 10mins. You’re working on a very small sample size to say, he can defend and is positionally aware of a natural midfielder.

He spent most of last season as a split striker. He hasn’t got the pace to play deep and get up the pitch to support. And to say he’s got vision and can pass, his stats from open play through out his career are nothing special, he’s hardly some world class playmaker.

Chatting wham mate

 

[BrendanGOT]

You can show me as many stats as you like, but he never has and never will be a centre midfielder..

No real point continuing the convo if you refuse to accept facts mate can both make up whatever we like really based on that