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Now I have read what Paul Ince said, and I'm now listening to him on Football Focus.

"We have enough qualified English coach's, who can do just a good a job as Capello"

Who? The fact they are qualified in a legal sense, doesn't mean that they are qualified in terms of success.

What English coach has been successful?

Premier League:
15 Seasons - (won 10 times by a Scot, 3 times by a Frenchman and 2 times by a Portugese)

FA Cup:
Last 8 Seasons - (Won once by a Portugese, 4 times by a Frenchman, Once by a Scot, once by an Italian and once by a Spaniard)

1995 was the last time an Englishman won the FA Cup. Joe Royle.
1992 was the last time an Englishman won the League, Howard Wilkinson.
1985 was the last time an Englishman won a European tournament. Howard Kendall.

That is the sorry state of affairs. Not the fact that we have appointed an Italian.
 

mamma mia!

that is shocking when it is laid out like that. all the potential english managers seem to want to sit in the sky studio.

howard kendall.... he should be in his prime as a manager. where did it all go wrong?
 
could have swore brian little won something as a manager in the early 90's

redknapp has today made his voice heard regards coaching versus management (specifically man management)

at the end of the day though, it doesnt make any difference, the arseholes at the FA make and break the rules. until they are held accountable for their deficiencies then there is no moving forward.

someone should ask all the prem clubs to throw £100k into the pot so the national football academy can be at least started (if not finished) - the land is there and the longer it remains idle the more likely the FA [Poor language removed] will get their wish of palming it off to a property developer.
 
teppic said:
mamma mia!

that is shocking when it is laid out like that. all the potential english managers seem to want to sit in the sky studio.

howard kendall.... he should be in his prime as a manager. where did it all go wrong?
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single malt allegedly.
 
League Cup winners

1994 - Villa (Ron Atkinson) ENG
1995 - Liverpool (Roy Evans) ENG
1996 - Villa (Brian Little) ENG
1997 - Leicester (M.O'Neill) NIR
1998 - Chelsea (G.Vialli) ITA
1999 - Spurs (G.Graham) SCO
2000 - Leicester (M.O'Neill) NIR
2001 - Liverpool (G.Houllier ) FRA
2002 - Blackburn (G.Souness) SCO
2003 - Liverpool (G.Houllier) FRA
2004 - Middlesboro (S.McClaren) ENG
2005 - Chelsea (J.Mourinho) POR
2006 - Man Utd (A.Ferguson) SCO
2007 - Chelsea (J.Mourinho) POR

So although McClaren was the last Englishman to win a trophy, and it was as recent as 2004. You have to go back to the 1996 to get the next winner. Which is on a par with the rest of the major UK tournaments.
 

This is precisely what I meant in the thread yesterday. Our coaching in England isn't good, it isn't good at all. Sure, it'd be great if Capello was installed in the interim and dozens of exceptional coaches trained up to succeed him. Sound familiar? It should because that's exactly what was said when Sven was appointed and we ended up with McClaren. The appointment of Capello will simply paper over the huge cracks in our system and some good results will convince the FA that all is rosy and nothing needs to be done.

We do have serious problems that are largely two fold it seems.

Firstly club chairmen seem incredibly reluctant to look at coaches that weren't big names as players. Thus we get the same old failures going around and around as managers and coaches. The likes of Wenger, Mourinho, Sven and Benithez have done well as managers despite having very modest playing careers, some not even having any kind of playing career. Where are the British versions of these people? We're just as guilty of it on this forum with people clamouring for the likes of Stubbs and even Ferguson installed as coaches based on nothing but their ability as players.

Now I'm not against good players becoming coaches, but this brings me onto the second issue, that of money. Players now are paid an absolute fortune. Whereas in previous generations going into coaching was a decent option for players who didn't earn enough to retire and weren't smart enough to get a job outside of the game. That simply isn't the case now. When you add in that television offers a lucrative career as an 'expert summariser' and the coaching profession loses dozens of potential candidates. Finally of course having such riches appears to dull the desire to succeed. If managers aren't getting opportunities in this country you go where you can get an opportunity. Champions League experience is essential for potential international managers, how many coaches have the desire to get that experience anywhere they can, even if it means leaving the comfort zone of England? The likes of Robson, Kendall, Hodgson and Toshack have all tried their luck abroad but very few of the Premier League generation have done. Souness had a go abroad and Coleman is currently in Spain but the numbers are very low.
 
Some more interesting stats.

Last season is Serie A.

These are the non Italian coach's.

Marco Giampaolo, Cagliari (SUI)

And that's it. Out of 26 coach's who were at the helm in Serie A clubs last season, 1 of of 26 were non Italian, and he was Swiss and judging by his name, is on the Italian side of Switzerland.

In England.

There were 29 coach's last season.

11 were English. They were:

Sam Allardyce - Quit
Sammy Lee - Got Sacked
Alan Pardew - Got Relegated
Stuart Pearce - Got Sacked
Gareth Southgate
Glen Roeder - Got Sacked
Neil Warnock - Quit
Alan Curbishley - Should have been Relegated
Paul Jewell - Quit
Steve Coppell
Harry Redknapp - Dodgy as hell

Is this a case of itchy trigger fingers? Or just a lack of coaching quality to get the best out of their players?
 
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Bruce Wayne said:
No doubt the English language plays a factor as it is pretty much the global second language. I doubt many English coaches would know Italian.
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Or maybe thats just arrogance. Why should we go to Italy to make our name for ourselves? We're England, we won two wars. We had an empire.

Well that's all gone. What we did in the war, gone! means nothing anymore, apart from to those who were directly involved.

The problems with English football is the same throughout Sport, and throughout the culture.

We are far too arrogant to realise that we are no longer up there as a successful nation.

I don't know how we are doing financially, but I presume its not down to our own industry but to foreign investments.

Cue Bruce.
 

Most of this has been caused by the so called big four failing to appoint an English manager, Ferguson is in football terms a foreigner.

We throw money at so many things in the game today. Capello's appointment is a prime example of the English game selling itself short yet again. Capello was unemployed, he is 61 years old and was actually considered unemployable after his clashes at Madrid. Whats does our FA do, rather than employ an Englishman they offer him a four year deal worth £30 mil but there is no performance aspect to the contract. He was looking for work hence we managed to get him so quickly but rather than say we will give you £2/3 mil a year with bonuses dependant on results they go and sell the family silver again. I would also point out that no foreign manager has ever won the world cup, do they lack the national spirit that should be there, I would say yes as it is an instinct no amount of money can purchase

What chance do we stand if there is no progression for ENGLISH managers in our game. Even in the leagues, Scots are far better at organising English players than we are. The game in this country needs sorting out root and branch and I would start by sacking Barwick and company, why?, because they are [Poor language removed] as proven by results.
 
monty said:
Most of this has been caused by the so called big four failing to appoint an English manager, Ferguson is in football terms a foreigner.

We throw money at so many things in the game today. Capello's appointment is a prime example of the English game selling itself short yet again. Capello was unemployed, he is 61 years old and was actually considered unemployable after his clashes at Madrid. Whats does our FA do, rather than employ an Englishman they offer him a four year deal worth £30 mil but there is no performance aspect to the contract. He was looking for work hence we managed to get him so quickly but rather than say we will give you £2/3 mil a year with bonuses dependant on results they go and sell the family silver again. I would also point out that no foreign manager has ever won the world cup, do they lack the national spirit that should be there, I would say yes as it is an instinct no amount of money can purchase

What chance do we stand if there is no progression for ENGLISH managers in our game. Even in the leagues, Scots are far better at organising English players than we are. The game in this country needs sorting out root and branch and I would start by sacking Barwick and company, why?, because they are [Poor language removed] as proven by results.
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Ok Monty, let me ask you this question.

Who would you appoint? And why?

Because I am trying to think of who else could do the job, not should do the job, but could.

Its also worth noting that Spanish clubs are notoriously inpatient and don't tolerate any kind of unsubordination. Benitez would have been fired by now.

I understand your concerns, but at this current moment in time, there is no English manager good enough to take the job. Apart from perhaps Redknapp, but he's clearly not got the clean record to do the job, and that's by his own admission.
 

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