Stephen King Vs. 'Literature'

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Black Belt Jones said:
No one who has read Ulysses thinks it's effing garbage. .
Plenty of folk who haven't read it, or tried and failed to read it, think it's effing garbage.

I've read a few (younger) critics trying to take it on and disparage it, but that's just like Tony Bellew acting up to try and sell a fight. Not to be taken seriously, just trying to put food on their table.
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Joyce is possibly the greatest ever novelist the English speaking world has ever produced.

I defy anyone, particularly someone brought up in a Catholic family and whom attended Catholic school, to read his description of hell in A Portrait Of The Artist As A Young Man and not feel a chill up their spine and feel the neck hairs stand on end :blush:

I love this Andy White song.

Do you know this one, @Prevenger17

 

Khalekan said:
Joyce is possibly the greatest ever novelist the English speaking world has ever produced.

I defy anyone, particularly someone brought up in a Catholic family and whom attended Catholic school, to read his description of hell in A Portrait Of The Artist As A Young Man and not feel a chill up their spine and feel the neck hairs stand on end :blush:
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My Dad was taught by Christian brothers at St Vincents in Toxteth (which I don't think is there anymore), and specifically told me about that piece in Joyce, how it corresponded exactly with what he experienced in class.

I went to a catholic school too, but I think they had toned down the fire and brimstone rhetoric by the 80s.
 
wm02 said:
Good post. Haven't read Der Schwarm but read Das Parfum in grad school and would definitely classify that as literature given the broader themes and what is conveyed about the human experience. Took a course on America in the German Imagination and we read Karl May as one of the earliest authors to reference the States. A lot of debate on whether or not his works would be labeled as literature
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Karl May was one of Hitler's favourite authors. Make of that what you will.:)
 
Khalekan said:
Joyce is possibly the greatest ever novelist the English speaking world has ever produced.

I defy anyone, particularly someone brought up in a Catholic family and whom attended Catholic school, to read his description of hell in A Portrait Of The Artist As A Young Man and not feel a chill up their spine and feel the neck hairs stand on end :blush:

I love this Andy White song.

Do you know this one, @Prevenger17

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Joyce is rubbish Khal, let's face it.


*Cracks open Dan Brown novel
 

dholliday said:
Just Satanic Verses, which I didn't even finish. Also liked the first 100 pages or so but his wordy writing style became an absolute chore and I gave up about halfway through. Did he calm it down a bit for Midnight Children?

I'm a big fan of Orwell's writing style, no need to over-complicate things, it's possible to write deeply about complex themes with common language.
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Similar style. I had to reference the dictionary throughout but give it a shot
 
Prevenger17 said:
Yup. I think Revenge of the Sith is a better film than 2001: A Space Odyssey, I don't give an eff what anyone says
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You can even say that if you like. 2001 is my number one favourite film but I can't say it's objectively better as the slow pace and deep themes must feel like a chore to some people, whereas the fast pace and hectic action of RotS would be more enjoyable for them.

Emotional response is so important when ranking artistic works that it becomes impossible to objectively rank them.
 
dholliday said:
can you recommend me a proper chilling horror? i don't need gory stuff or really awful things happening, more the mix of psychological/supernatural which lets the imagination run wild and makes you uneasy about what might be lurking in the spare room while you take a midnight trip to the loo.
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House of Leaves got a lot of attention a few years back - Mark Danielewski. Superbly chilling horror and very original. Unfortunately, it is written in two halves with one being the haunted house story, and the other being a more conventional tale that is not very good. It was his first book and he tried to show his aris with an ambitious structure, as the two halves are cryptically inter-linked. For all it not working (IMHO), it is still worth reading as the horror part is amazingly well done.
 

Black Belt Jones said:
My Dad was taught by Christian brothers at St Vincents in Toxteth (which I don't think is there anymore), and specifically told me about that piece in Joyce, how it corresponded exactly with what he experienced in class.

I went to a catholic school too, but I think they had toned down the fire and brimstone rhetoric by the 80s.
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lol


Oh most definitely......us boys growing up in the 50s and 60s had the fear of Bejasus put into us in the schoolroom :whip:


You younger lads had it easy ;)
 
Prevenger17 said:
I agree, different things touch people in different ways. Alien is the best movie of all time imo, in absolutely every aspect
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a strong 9/10, considering my bad-nerd imdb profile only rates about 40 films at 9/10 or higher it's well up there. Aliens is fun but generally overrated.

Do you like Sigourney Weaver in other films? Check out Snow Cake (with Alan Rickman). Made me well up a bit and I don't get that often.
 

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