Biff malibu
Player Valuation: £750k
Stats are not that relevant. Watching all the games will tell you the real story.
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toetonioni
Player Valuation: £225k
I think that the difficult thing with football stats is identifying which stats actually give you the best chance of winning matches.
I don't believe that any of the stats that sky present to us show us that picture.
I don't believe that any of the stats that sky present to us show us that picture.
BornBlue76
Player Valuation: £35m
I love my stats! Already shared stats if Barkley v Klaassen and Draxler so show how effective he actually is. He outperforms many players preferred to him in the stats index !
The defensive player who gets caught out of position on a ball over the top and then charges back in an unsuccessful to prevent the opposition scoring will cover more yards than the defensive player who read the play better and made a simple defensive header to break up the attacking move.
Abraders
Player Valuation: £60m
It's even like the players who make 'fantastic last ditch tackles' ... when it was their poor positioning that allowed the attacker through in the first place!
About 47% of all stats are useful.
Leaving 53% about which there is considerable doubt.
Leaving 53% about which there is considerable doubt.
AsiaAsia82
Player Valuation: £35m
Only two stats are relevant,
A) EFC scoring more than the opposition
B) having more points than others
Everything else is excuse laden irrelevance.
Thank you.
A) EFC scoring more than the opposition
B) having more points than others
Everything else is excuse laden irrelevance.
Thank you.
I find it all really interesting.
The problem is single number stats tells you nothing really. Those goal/assist stats from Sig tell you nothing unless they are broken down.
A lot of a players stats are determined by the style of football they are asked to play.
I've been looking at the Sigurdsson stats and basically last season he played a completely different style of play to normal, he went from not really ever crossing, to pretty much only crossing last year. Assists went up, touches of the ball went down, passing accuracy went down. His job was simply to play first time crosses into the box as soon as he got the ball.
Likewise Ross was clearly told to recycle the ball more and run with it less. So his dribbling stats went down a lot (from amongst the best in the Prem to average) but his passing accuracy % increased and he lost the ball less. Well what do you want from Ross? He scored half as many goals but gave away far fewer chances to the opposition.
Keane had great defensive stats last season, most clearances, most headers won etc but he played for a team that defends really deep and was involved far more than other teams. Someone like Williams may have been number 1 if we'd been equally terrible overall.
The problem is single number stats tells you nothing really. Those goal/assist stats from Sig tell you nothing unless they are broken down.
A lot of a players stats are determined by the style of football they are asked to play.
I've been looking at the Sigurdsson stats and basically last season he played a completely different style of play to normal, he went from not really ever crossing, to pretty much only crossing last year. Assists went up, touches of the ball went down, passing accuracy went down. His job was simply to play first time crosses into the box as soon as he got the ball.
Likewise Ross was clearly told to recycle the ball more and run with it less. So his dribbling stats went down a lot (from amongst the best in the Prem to average) but his passing accuracy % increased and he lost the ball less. Well what do you want from Ross? He scored half as many goals but gave away far fewer chances to the opposition.
Keane had great defensive stats last season, most clearances, most headers won etc but he played for a team that defends really deep and was involved far more than other teams. Someone like Williams may have been number 1 if we'd been equally terrible overall.
They're only part of the story. If they were the end-all-be-all, there'd be no reason for Koeman or Walsh's existence.
If it were possible to do that, it would be great. I don't really have time to watch 380 Premier League matches plus another couple of thousand matches from other leagues and cups each year, though, so it's nice to have statistics to fill in the gaps.
The big problem is that nobody even started thinking about keeping statistics beyond goals scored until recently, and even now it's really difficult to find out really basic things, so the statistics we have don't really tell us as much as we'd like.
Statistics are fine. They're the basic input of any scientific approach to analysis of sport and the output of persistent journaling. The problem is that although statistics in sport is old, football statistics is still relatively undeveloped (or, at least developing), and even fewer know how to discuss statistics that know that they are. And there's an inherent difficulty with football statistics (at least compared to North American sports and sports like cricket, all of which are largely sequential), since it's much harder to know how to divide and which sequences are useful to compare.
TL;DR version is yes, they're useful, but no, not really at the moment.
TL;DR version is yes, they're useful, but no, not really at the moment.
canuckblue
Player Valuation: £50m
I only care about stat holidays.
tim gabbott
Player Valuation: £30m
Stick the ball in the net end off
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