Statement of Intent

[kithnou]

I have never said that the lad isn't an incredible talent mate and have held the opinion he will go on to be one of the very best, and i went through the exact same line of thinking you are with esk the other day about ways around it and options etc, end of the day though the owner has a plan of what he wants to do, and financially the onyl way it is achievable immediately is by selling someone for a huge profit, stones will go and in comparision to how i felt when Rooney left us it will barely register with me.

Unlike with that sale though, we arent doing it to survive or because we have been mismanaged by the owners (well in a way it is because of the legacy of that - but thats for a different thread) it is to allow the team overall to improve and become better than it would be without selling him, we may not see anothe rcb playing here for a long, long time as good as Stones will become, but we may just come out watching an Everton team better because of what it allows us as a club to do after selling him

Fair enough. I concede Stones looks to be off. I only wish for at least one big name signing worthy of his sacrificing, as opposed to the 5 or 6 of the run of the mills mentioned in the papers we are going to overpay for.

 

[allezlesbleus]

Name one centre back that has ever been a global marketing 'star' mate?

Plus read the esks posts thoroughly mate, he explains exactly whay selling someone like Stones may be vital

We keep stones we can basically add players to the wage bill totalling rouhgly 135k extra a week.

We lose stones for 40m, we are able to add players to the wage bill totalling 905k extra per week.

It really is that simple a scenario

Players who have already left the clubs wages will be eaten up with new contracts given out to the likes of Lukaku and Barkley - and that would be another 80k or so we'd have to give if Stones also stayed, so likely around 200k for those three extra to resign deals

We'd even after shifting a few players extra be left with around 200k wiggle room for new players coming in unless we sell

Blimey, when you put it like that......

 

[Zatara]

lol lol lol

Yeah i actually thought they were on about Di Caprio.

Weirdly loads of girls had shirts with his name on the back, he was a kind of sex symbol....

 

[4737carlin]

This thread has some great posts on about the finances, good stuff blues.

 

[evertony]

why are people on here talking about selling our right back who is one of the best in Europe.?

Because they are now running the Club from the interweb......nothing will be the same.

 

[Zatara]

Best estimates Howard (45k) Hibbert (20k) Osman (35k) Pienaar (50k) around 150k their mate

As i have explained we sell Naise for 5m we effectively remove 8m off the wage bill we can then offer due to FPP rules

Now will explain - Barkley is currently on 60k per week, we are apparently offering him 120k per week to sign a new contract
Lukaku is on 75k per week, new contract mentioend as being 140k per week
Stones is on 30k per week, if he stays wand we get him to sign a new contract then he will want parity with barkley - so 120k per week

That is 215k per week we would need to add to the wage bill of the club just to keep existing players, now assuming we offer absolutely no increased deals to anyone else in the squd (which is unblievable really as the likes of Moris' and Deulofeus' agents etc would be straight on the phone wanting a decent pay hike straight away) - then that 215k increase wipes out all we have saved from releasing the 4 players, and 65k of the allowed yearly increase of 135k per week that the rules allows, so we are down to 70k left we can increaee wages by

so we have signed no players - just resigned deals for existing ones, we have let 4 players leave the squad, and we have now 70k per week we can add to the wages mate

we sell Cleverley and coleman for 25m and naisse for 5m, then we have made a player trading profit of about 17m which gives us the ability to increase wages by 320k per week roughly - add that to the 70k remaining and we have the ability to increase the wage bill by 390k per week

We now need a starting right back, we now need a staring keeper, we need a backup striker, we need a winger, and we need a centre midfielder and a playmaker type - just so we arent playing people out of position

so 6 players we can add on an average of around 65k per week, what you think the first agent approached will say when we try to buy his player and he looks at Ross and Stones getting double what his client is being offered?


And all this is assuming we don't have to renogotiate with existing players, a conservative setimate would be we'd end up doing a fair few contracts to Mori and del and others which would eat up apporox 100k of that figure - hell davies and dowell resignign have probably taken around 40k per week out that figure alone mate

Niasse fee £13.5mil
Payments over his contract
Say £5mil upfront
Sell at £5mil
Save wages of £50k
The remaining £8.5 is staggered over his contract.

FFP counts sales as immediate income whilst purchases over the length of contract....so we would still be paying off next year and onwards on the books.

Howard
Hibbert
Osman
Pienaar
Cleverley
McGeady
Kone
Mirallas
McAleny
Gibson
Oviedo
Garbutt

Could all be sold with minimal effect on the squad. If we needed to add funds then theres others to sell before Stones e.g Coleman etc etc

Other way is to sell Stones for e.g £40mil and 25% goes to Barnsley.....makes no sense...I wouldnt sell for less than £60mil but even then it would be crazy.

surely the approach i state brings in more fees and wages anyway and players leaving are replaced by kids and new signings...we have too many in th squad as it is.

 

[evertony]

he has leanred that to fulfill his ambitions with the club we need to massively hike the wages up mate and need to make a tough decision about which player we let go, out of the three that had that sort of value

Utterly ignoring the players they may all become in the future, was Stones in our top 5-6 performers last season? - before the wheels came off the season and everyone went dire around the Arsenal game obviously

Are you on the Board at Everton mate, just that all your posts in this thread seem to be written as fact as opposed to opinion. I love reading passionate stuff about Everton but always thinks it's better when it's written as an observation or opinion rather than trying to give the impression the writer has an inside ear at the Club. Not being arsey as I enjoy your posts.

 

[Zatara]

Howard £50k
Hibbert £25k
Osman £25k
Pienaar £60k
Cleverley £50k
McGeady £50k
Kone £30k
Mirallas £50k
McAleny £10k
Gibson £30k
Oviedo £25k
Garbutt £15k
Niasse £50k

£470k + transfer income.

Gk - Robles
RB - Coleman / Kenny
RCB - Stones / Jags / Pennington
LCB - Mori / Galloway
LB - Baines / Connolly
DM - Barry / McCarthy / Besic
CM - Davies
LW -
AM - Barkley / Dowell / Tarashaj
RW - Deulofeu / Lennon
CF - Lukaku

 

[bluestevon]

Are you on the Board at Everton mate, just that all your posts in this thread seem to be written as fact as opposed to opinion. I love reading passionate stuff about Everton but always thinks it's better when it's written as an observation or opinion rather than trying to give the impression the writer has an inside ear at the Club. Not being arsey as I enjoy your posts.

suppose the original post is what you'd call an opinion piece mate (at least was meant to come across as such)and from that point on haven't thought i'd need to put that subsequent posts from me was still just my opinion - based on info out their or on others with more knowledge of the financial side or plans afoot.

christ mate i was on the board we'd be going away to milton keynes or salford fc next season...

 

[bluestevon]

Niasse fee £13.5mil
Payments over his contract
Say £5mil upfront
Sell at £5mil
Save wages of £50k
The remaining £8.5 is staggered over his contract.

FFP counts sales as immediate income whilst purchases over the length of contract....so we would still be paying off next year and onwards on the books.

Howard
Hibbert
Osman
Pienaar
Cleverley
McGeady
Kone
Mirallas
McAleny
Gibson
Oviedo
Garbutt

Could all be sold with minimal effect on the squad. If we needed to add funds then theres others to sell before Stones e.g Coleman etc etc

Other way is to sell Stones for e.g £40mil and 25% goes to Barnsley.....makes no sense...I wouldnt sell for less than £60mil but even then it would be crazy.

surely the approach i state brings in more fees and wages anyway and players leaving are replaced by kids and new signings...we have too many in th squad as it is.

thing is mate, and i have done it myself frequently on this matter, - using the term FPP - when i think the actual term is shjort term cost control or some such hokum, basically you buy a player and the fee in total that it costs is his trading value effectively, this vaalue depreciates over the course of his contract, so a 10m player boughts trading value goes down 2m per year of the contract, so sell him after 1 year to break even you'd need to get 8m, after two years 6m etc, the exact nature of payments made when buying the player, as in how much up front how uits staggered etc matters not at all, just the overall price agreed

so for Naisse it would be 13.5m and that would be depreciated by 1/9th of his toal cost so far - 6 months into a 4 1/2 year deal if you follow me.

same for all players we have bought, Lukaku 28m and ghis trading value would now be 3/5ths of that 28m cost.

A player who resigns like McCarthy changes things slighly - so 14m for a 5 years deal, 2 years it depreciated and then he resigned a new 5 year contract, at which point the amount left after depreciation on his original contract (8.4m or so) would then depreciate over the course of his new 5 year deal instead (so at this point he wpould be at 6.7m trading value - anything over that would give us a positive, less a loss etc)

 

[Goat]

So basically giving Lukaku, Barkley, Stones and Besic new 7 year contracts on 150k a week actually "helps" us.

 

[Zatara]

thing is mate, and i have done it myself frequently on this matter, - using the term FPP - when i think the actual term is shjort term cost control or some such hokum, basically you buy a player and the fee in total that it costs is his trading value effectively, this vaalue depreciates over the course of his contract, so a 10m player boughts trading value goes down 2m per year of the contract, so sell him after 1 year to break even you'd need to get 8m, after two years 6m etc, the exact nature of payments made when buying the player, as in how much up front how uits staggered etc matters not at all, just the overall price agreed

so for Naisse it would be 13.5m and that would be depreciated by 1/9th of his toal cost so far - 6 months into a 4 1/2 year deal if you follow me.

same for all players we have bought, Lukaku 28m and ghis trading value would now be 3/5ths of that 28m cost.

A player who resigns like McCarthy changes things slighly - so 14m for a 5 years deal, 2 years it depreciated and then he resigned a new 5 year contract, at which point the amount left after depreciation on his original contract (8.4m or so) would then depreciate over the course of his new 5 year deal instead (so at this point he wpould be at 6.7m trading value - anything over that would give us a positive, less a loss etc)

Thats insane isnt it.

 

[bluestevon]

So basically giving Lukaku, Barkley, Stones and Besic new 7 year contracts on 150k a week actually "helps" us.

Admit it mate, you never got past the first paragraph really did you?

 

[bluestevon]

Thats insane isnt it.

The game is the game Zat, but in short it's all tied up with business assets 'i think' and the way they are calculated.

But yeah it is insane, but also a nice little way for the premiership to try to block any further gatecrashing of the favoured clubs

 

[Goat]

Admit it mate, you never got past the first paragraph really did you?

I didnt read it mate, no.