Stadium Thread - ALL Kirkby/Stadium Discussion Here

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Wait there.

Does that mean that LCC are being arl arses? Wheres Bradley when you need him?

Hold the door Knowsley, here we come.




disclaimer: I know [Poor language removed] but wanted to do a massive over-reaction with not a lot of knowledge of the ins and outs of it all.
 
Basically it means if Everton still want to move to Kirkby, they will have to borrow a bit more (it had a predicted valued of £7.9m with planning permisison before the housing market fell) to cover the shortfall as the club were relying on money from Bellefield planning permission being granted and housing developments being built and sold to put towards the stadium cost.
 

I can't help feeling that we're not getting the whole story on this.

The development would have seen the new homes constructed, as well as the creation of an access road from Sandforth Road and the demolition of four houses.
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If my house was one of the four I'd be objecting as well.
 
this article in the Daily Post is interesting.

Compare this:

In June last year, Liverpool City Council rejected plans by the club to build 74 large family homes on the club’s former base.

Council planners had originally recommended the scheme be approved, but the planning committee rejected the plans over fears of increased traffic, extra pressure on local schools, doctors and dentists, and loss of open space.
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With this:

Yesterday, planning inspector Karen Ridge dismissed Everton’s appeal.

In her decision report, she wrote: “I conclude that there is nothing to suggest that the proposal would have a detrimental effect on the living conditions of residents by virtue of the increased traffic movements.”

But she also looked into the principle of residential development having regard to loss of green space, housing and land supply matters, and its effect on the Housing Market Renewal Initiative.

“I conclude that the principle of residential development on the appeal site is unacceptable,” she said.
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So in other words, 'ok we lied the first time, but we're still not giving you permission because of some other entirely different reasons we've just made up.

Looking up "the Housing Market Renewal Initiative" on Wikpedia reveals that it is a government initiative to improve the quality of housing in run down areas of certain cities, including Liverpool.
Interestingly West Derby isn't one of them. Presumably because it isn't run down.
 
First off, who in their right mind would be seeking to flog land for house-building purposes in this downturn? That's right: Everton FC. All the club wanted was planning permission so they could sell it on for those purposes once 'the recovery' comes along. LCC have a perfect right not only to listen to their own council tax payers in the area who are vehemently against it, but also make sure the land wont be sitting around idle for an unspecified period maybe lasting the best part of a decade. Hardly what you'd call politicking is it?

Secondly, £10M is a crazy figure for Bellefield. It's been assessed in the Inquiry that it would fetch no more than £3M in today's market. Everton FC really are clutching at straws if they saw this as a way forward to fund a shoe box in Kirkby.

That's it really. All the rest is hot air.
 
Robin Sisland said:
this article in the Daily Post is interesting.

Compare this:



With this:



So in other words, 'ok we lied the first time, but we're still not giving you permission because of some other entirely different reasons we've just made up.

Looking up "the Housing Market Renewal Initiative" on Wikpedia reveals that it is a government initiative to improve the quality of housing in run down areas of certain cities, including Liverpool.
Interestingly West Derby isn't one of them. Presumably because it isn't run down.
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How on earth is that LCC 'lying'. The argument from LCC has been consistent; the conclusion reached by the Inspector was that she deviated from the view that the traffic aspect was the problem but that she agreed the loss of open space was a problem.

Where is the 'lie'? Where is 'the entirely different reason'?
 

chicoazul said:
Wait there.

Does that mean that LCC are being arl arses? Wheres Bradley when you need him?

Hold the door Knowsley, here we come.




disclaimer: I know [Poor language removed] but wanted to do a massive over-reaction with not a lot of knowledge of the ins and outs of it all.
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Foreigners.
 
davek said:
How on earth is that LCC 'lying'. The argument from LCC has been consistent; the conclusion reached by the Inspector was that she deviated from the view that the traffic aspect was the problem but that she agreed the loss of open space was a problem.

Where is the 'lie'? Where is 'the entirely different reason'?
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I didn't say the LCC had lied. I suggested that whatever body the planning inspector is directly responsible to had lied.
I'll admit I'm a bit confused by vague definition of the various bodies involved.
The planning inspector is a presumably a council employee, whereas the planning committee is made up of elected councillors and advised by council employees?
Anyway the fact remains the plan was rejected initially for one set of reasons
fears of increased traffic, extra pressure on local schools, doctors and dentists, and loss of open space.
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which it was later admitted were spurious :
In her decision report, she wrote: “I conclude that there is nothing to suggest that the proposal would have a detrimental effect on the living conditions of residents by virtue of the increased traffic movements.”
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and a completely new set of reasons were given :

she also looked into the principle of residential development having regard to loss of green space, housing and land supply matters, and its effect on the Housing Market Renewal Initiative.

“I conclude that the principle of residential development on the appeal site is unacceptable,” she said.
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