Stadium Thread - ALL Kirkby/Stadium Discussion Here

[SimonP]

I was in the same stand with a lad from Boston for the Coventry relegation game back in '98. He coldn't believe the atmosphere - he's a Red Sox fan and has never had a bigger buzz at a sports stadium than that 90 minutes. No one is saying we couldn't improve the situation but real fans appreciate the place.

that's because, to those who know, restricted views mean nothing

there was what, 58,000 inside Goodison the night we beat Bayern? I've not heard a single person complain it was [Poor language removed] because they were behind a post and missed a pass every now and then...

big games sell out, regardless of the views (as last season's NINE capacity gates shows) as people want to be part of the atmosphere - it's not like there are views where a whole half of the pitch is obscured

no, for the time being - with the current financial crisis getting worse - we should stick with what we know.

"we don't want to do a Leeds"

 

[HalewoodBlue_ver.2.0]

that's because, to those who know, restricted views mean nothing

there was what, 58,000 inside Goodison the night we beat Bayern? I've not heard a single person complain it was [Poor language removed] because they were behind a post and missed a pass every now and then...

big games sell out, regardless of the views (as last season's NINE capacity gates shows) as people want to be part of the atmosphere - it's not like there are views where a whole half of the pitch is obscured

no, for the time being - with the current financial crisis getting worse - we should stick with what we know.

"we don't want to do a Leeds"

Si has a new catchphrase everyone, and he is going to make sure he gets full use out of it

 

[GrandOldTeam]

It amuses me when people put pictures up showing restricted views...as if we didn't realise it. I'm convinced now, I hadn't noticed those pillars before.

Some wont. Most of our website traffic is from outside the UK.

A member posted some Goodison views not so long ago and replies were shocked.

It does bring it home a bit. A friend of mine visited Goodison for the first time not so long ago. She was really looking forward to it - she sat near the back of the Gwladys - ruined her entire match experience.

Thats not what the club want.

I can understand some of the concerns regarding Kirkby. I then ask, "well whats the alternative?" It seems as though people cant provide feasible options... and are now grasping at straws with the remain at Goodison idea?

For me, I have to agree with Johnson, Kenwright, Dunford, Birch, Wyness, Elstone that there isn't even an argument to remain at Goodison in its current state.

Lets remain at Goodison and when the new Anfield is built, we will be literally in their shadow.

 

[SimonP]

Some wont. Most of our website traffic is from outside the UK.

A member posted some Goodison views not so long ago and replies were shocked.

It does bring it home a bit. A friend of mine visited Goodison for the first time not so long ago. She was really looking forward to it - she sat near the back of the Gwladys - ruined her entire match experience.

Thats not what the club want.

I can understand some of the concerns regarding Kirkby. I then ask, "well whats the alternative?" It seems as though people cant provide feasible options... and are now grasping at straws with the remain at Goodison idea?

For me, I have to agree with Johnson, Kenwright, Dunford, Birch, Wyness, Elstone that there isn't even an argument to remain at Goodison in its current state.

Lets remain at Goodison and when the new Anfield is built, we will be literally in their shadow.

indeed, let's run away and hide instead....

as for it ruining her matchday experience, can I ask which match she was at?

 

[kenada_blue]

that's because, to those who know, restricted views mean nothing

there was what, 58,000 inside Goodison the night we beat Bayern? I've not heard a single person complain it was [Poor language removed] because they were behind a post and missed a pass every now and then...

big games sell out, regardless of the views (as last season's NINE capacity gates shows) as people want to be part of the atmosphere - it's not like there are views where a whole half of the pitch is obscured

no, for the time being - with the current financial crisis getting worse - we should stick with what we know.

"we don't want to do a Leeds"

Yes it [Poor language removed] does. Its why we never sell out the full ground because there are some horrible views in the ground - and at £30-£35 as well!

And the Munich game was MASSIVE game where'd you would sit on the roof to see it...

How many games does that happen a season? Its about getting good gates at normal games not just the big ones.

And we still could do a Leeds. Borrowing more and more, not enough money for players, squad limited, get religated. You dont have to go bust to drop out of the league.

 

[DENNIS STEVENS]

... "well whats the alternative?" ...

the case for kirkby neatly summed up

 

[SimonP]

Yes it [Poor language removed] does. Its why we never sell out the full ground because there are some horrible views in the ground - and at £30-£35 as well!

And the Munich game was MASSIVE game where'd you would sit on the roof to see it...

How many games does that happen a season? Its about getting good gates at normal games not just the big ones.

And we still could do a Leeds. Borrowing more and more, not enough money for players, squad limited, get religated. You dont have to go bust to drop out of the league.

Goodison was sold out nine times last season...

hmm, borrowing more and more could lead to us "doing a Leeds" could it? remind me, how do Everton plan to fund the move to Kirkby?

 

[kenada_blue]

Goodison was sold out nine times last season...

hmm, borrowing more and more could lead to us "doing a Leeds" could it? remind me, how do Everton plan to fund the move to Kirkby?

And why wasnt it sold out more times than that? The point of moving/rebuilding etc (not just Kirkby I mean anywhere) is so there's a chance that the ground can be sold out more, that the general attendence is higher than is it now. Unrestricted views, better facilities make the ground more attractive. Who'd would be satisfied in paying £35 in a restricted view to watch us against West Brom? If it was unrestrictive that wouldnt be a problem, would be more appealing to the average fan.

And we'd have to borrow more just to stay where we're are, like we are doing, limiting everything (mainly transfers) like it is doing.

 

[SimonP]

And why wasnt it sold out more times than that? The point of moving/rebuilding etc (not just Kirkby I mean anywhere) is so there's a chance that the ground can be sold out more, that the general attendence is higher than is it now. Unrestricted views, better facilities make the ground more attractive. Who'd would be satisfied in paying £35 in a restricted view to watch us against West Brom? If it was unrestrictive that wouldnt be a problem, would be more appealing to the average fan.

And we'd have to borrow more just to stay where we're are, like we are doing, limiting everything (mainly transfers) like it is doing.

People won't pay £35 to watch us play West Brom wherever we're playing - unless we're winning the league

The stadium we play football in makes no difference to whether we win the league or not

Not sure what you mean about limiting transfers though mate, we've broken our transfer record every year for four years now.

 

[kenada_blue]

People won't pay £35 to watch us play West Brom wherever we're playing - unless we're winning the league

The stadium we play football in makes no difference to whether we win the league or not

Not sure what you mean about limiting transfers though mate, we've broken our transfer record every year for four years now.

The problem is, the casual game goer is always in two minds -- should I pay 35quid for a [Poor language removed] seat against a [Poor language removed] side or watch it in the pub or match of the day tonight?

What he should be thinkin is -- Would I like to £35 for a good seat and good facilites, get my moneys worth, to see us against a [Poor language removed] side? The club wants you to go the game, they dont want you being put off because the seating is rubbish and you'd get a better view from in the pub. It becomes a choice, which is better.

And its not about which stadium we're in -- look at the postion we're in now. Low attendences, no transfer money, lack of squad depth -- This is happening at the moment. What's the future? Its getting harder to stay we're we've been the past few seasons and it wont get easier....unless we get a cash injection, generate money we can use, debt we can manage - and this is just to stay top half of the table! Budgets go up every year not down - wages, transfers, maintenence.

Yeah, we broke our transfer budget every year....on one player at a time over 6 years. Like the squad is brimming with depth of quality to go on many domestic/european cups and leagues. 2 injuies and we're [Poor language removed] -- have been for seasons.

 

[davek]

Some wont. Most of our website traffic is from outside the UK.

A member posted some Goodison views not so long ago and replies were shocked.

It does bring it home a bit. A friend of mine visited Goodison for the first time not so long ago. She was really looking forward to it - she sat near the back of the Gwladys - ruined her entire match experience.

Thats not what the club want.

I can understand some of the concerns regarding Kirkby. I then ask, "well whats the alternative?" It seems as though people cant provide feasible options... and are now grasping at straws with the remain at Goodison idea?

For me, I have to agree with Johnson, Kenwright, Dunford, Birch, Wyness, Elstone that there isn't even an argument to remain at Goodison in its current state.

Lets remain at Goodison and when the new Anfield is built, we will be literally in their shadow.

Kenwright, Elstone and Wyness are the brains trust that complain of Goodison's delapidation after having spent just £13M of the hundreds of millions they've raked in during the Sky Premiership years on ground improvements. Their words are worthless on the subject.

 

[SimonP]

The problem is, the casual game goer is always in two minds -- should I pay 35quid for a [Poor language removed] seat against a [Poor language removed] side or watch it in the pub or match of the day tonight?

Only if they wait until the day before the match to buy a ticket

What he should be thinkin is -- Would I like to £35 for a good seat and good facilites, get my moneys worth, to see us against a [Poor language removed] side? The club wants you to go the game, they dont want you being put off because the seating is rubbish and you'd get a better view from in the pub. It becomes a choice, which is better.

You will always get a better view when watching on television - because you will always get slow-mo action replays etc....you may get a better atmosphere in the stadium though. Remember, the club - like all Premier League clubs - rely on the TV money. They also want plenty to subscribe to Sky b)

Those fans who think "well, even if the match is [Poor language removed], the toilets will be alright" are few and far between though

And its not about which stadium we're in -- look at the postion we're in now. Low attendences, no transfer money, lack of squad depth -- This is happening at the moment.

The low attendances are purely to do with team performances - nothing more. This group of players is the same group of players who made Everton perform so well last season - so lack of transfers can hardly be blamed. The squad has lacked depth for the past 3 years though - and it has lacked strength in depth for the past 10.

What's the future? Its getting harder to stay we're we've been the past few seasons and it wont get easier....unless we get a cash injection, generate money we can use, debt we can manage - and this is just to stay top half of the table! Budgets go up every year not down - wages, transfers, maintenence.

with a £24m cash injection this season, Everton went from a £9m loss to a £30k profit.

Kirkby is projected - by the club's own experts - to bring in £6m extra per year. If it is sold out. I want a better business case than that for ANY improved stadium that involves Everton taking the levels of debt to over £100m.

We paid £4m interest on our debt last season - a further £30m debt could raise that by £2m...a third of the proposed extra income from Kirkby.

Yeah, we broke our transfer budget every year....on one player at a time over 6 years. Like the squad is brimming with depth of quality to go on many domestic/european cups and leagues. 2 injuies and we're [Poor language removed] -- have been for seasons.

And that isn't going to go away with the projected £6m extra income from Kirkby is it?

 

[kenada_blue]

Only if they wait until the day before the match to buy a ticket

Doesnt make a difference IMO. Fans should have the option of getting tickets whenever they want and be able to see the game.

You will always get a better view when watching on television - because you will always get slow-mo action replays etc....you may get a better atmosphere in the stadium though. Remember, the club - like all Premier League clubs - rely on the TV money. They also want plenty to subscribe to Sky

So you're contracdicting youself -- we need money from Sky so people should subscribe to it...but they also should go the game dispite having a [Poor language removed] view or not because the atmosphere's great.

And its not about the fans that says even if the match is [Poor language removed] the toilets are great, its about paying money to get the full experience. Its like paying £200 to see the Rolling Stones from the toilets, you can feel the atmosphere but cant see the band. But the DVD's a tenner and I've got surround sound...save me cash and the band make money from the DVD's too. Win, Win.

The low attendances are purely to do with team performances - nothing more. This group of players is the same group of players who made Everton perform so well last season - so lack of transfers can hardly be blamed. The squad has lacked depth for the past 3 years though - and it has lacked strength in depth for the past 10.

Then we must be a fickle fanbase. Dread to think what the attendences would be like in a religation battle -- oh wait, we were a few seasons ago, people still turned up. We need to strive to be the club that people come to see dispite how we're playing. Look at Man Citeh - 40,000 a game and they're playing terrible, bottom 5 at the moment. We're 7th and average 30,000. See the difference?

We havent improved as a team and taken that next step from last season, which it what fans wanted and that's why we've just stalled. And we'll keep on stalling, maybe even falling down the league if things dont change. The summer just proved that. With a good cash injection we could've been more ready to challange and break the top 4 after last season, that was the next step.....what happened? Fans started losing faith in Moyes, Moyes losing faith in the club, the board, the club, the players felt it, started off [Poor language removed] -- the fans react. Look at the attendence for the Man Utd game - mediocre for a big game. Has the Chelsea game sold out even though we've been playing well? Dont think so.

with a £24m cash injection this season, Everton went from a £9m loss to a £30k profit.

Vanger love is coming for that 30K! Get in!!!! Money we can use, mate. That 30K pays Arteta's wages for a week.

Kirkby is projected - by the club's own experts - to bring in £6m extra per year. If it is sold out. I want a better business case than that for ANY improved stadium that involves Everton taking the levels of debt to over £100m.

We paid £4m interest on our debt last season - a further £30m debt could raise that by £2m...a third of the proposed extra income from Kirkby.

Well that's not going to happen really is it? Anything we do, move, rebuild etc is going to involve debt over 100m, even more for anything else proposed other than Kirkby (from what we know).

But like I've said, I'm not talking about moving to Kirkby, I'm talking about why we should move anywhere or rebuild. All you seem to see is GP made a profit and we should stay there another 50years after giving it a lick of paint. We're do we go from there then?

And that isn't going to go away with the projected £6m extra income from Kirkby is it?

Never said it was but its not going to get better at GP.

 

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