Spending Review (AKA Tory scum cuts)
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The cuts were about as predictable as Dave coming on after to post something inflammatory and vulgar.
davek
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I like Alan Johnson's attack on the Tories - calling them Deficit Deceivers to counter their jibe of Deficit Deniers. He's spot on too. The deficit was run up by the financial sector cockroaches from 2008. Up to that point all was well with public finances.
No doubt the Tory scum apologists will be on this thread soon. I'd advise them to read this article by Jonathon Freedland yesterday:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/oct/19/osborne-public-wrath-labour-blame-game
No doubt the Tory scum apologists will be on this thread soon. I'd advise them to read this article by Jonathon Freedland yesterday:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/oct/19/osborne-public-wrath-labour-blame-game
Even with these measures there is still a £150 billion deficit. That's regardless of any bank stuff. As Dave said, the finances were hunky dory.
tsubaki
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He isnt though, and I find it difficult to believe that Johnson is any better given that he launched his Shadow Chancellorship from the offices of KPMG (aka the ubercockroaches of the financial sector). Brown was a bad PM but he was a much, much worse chancellor. Take PFI for example, which was a Tory invention but Brown developed an addiction to it beyond all rationality, leading to immense levels of waste and direct effects (especially on the NHS - down here in London there are A+E departments closing because of PFI debts in other hospitals in the same trust) on public services and in the military (£12 bn on that ludicrous inflight refuelling PFI, £12 bn on the defence training school (now fortunately cancelled)).
Or look at the utter mess that was made of Network Rail, which developed from a very good idea in the 1997 Labour manifesto (to renationalize BR) into a system that was so unaccountable that huge sums (around half a million each, for around 155 cases)of public money thrown away on confidentiality agreements and which - if the latest Private Eye is to be believed - saw NR executives going up and down Euston Road emptying cash machines using company credit cards.
The sad thing is of course that the same pro-privatization / outsourcing crowd still infest government and the political class, and indeed fund much of what passes for modern political activity.
dixie1928
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The private sector can now make good on their promise to take up the employment slack produced by public sector job cuts. This will be so easy despite the fact that they will lose public contracts and the business from 500,000 public sector workers whoo won't have the money to buy their goods.
Merseyside, with its dependence on public sector jobs, will of course be one of the worst hit regions. Wales will also suffer.
Funnily enough, the Tory heartlands of the south east won't suffer to the same extent. Just the luck of the draw, I guess.
Meanwhile, Cameron, Clegg and Osborne are feeling and sharing your pain. Bless.
Merseyside, with its dependence on public sector jobs, will of course be one of the worst hit regions. Wales will also suffer.
Funnily enough, the Tory heartlands of the south east won't suffer to the same extent. Just the luck of the draw, I guess.
Meanwhile, Cameron, Clegg and Osborne are feeling and sharing your pain. Bless.
Lets be realistic here, Wales, Merseyside and other regions have had plenty of time to diversify their economies so they're not so dependent upon one employer. If that hasn't happened then you have to ask the question why that hasn't happened.
Personally I don't think the private sector will pick up much of the slack. A fair bit of recent research has suggested that they're either unable to, or in some cases they simply don't want those being made redundant.
You also mention about politicians feeling your pain, as though any politician of whatever persuasion is anything but a wealthy individual. I mean you've got 'men of the people' like Bob Crow on six figure salaries. I don't suppose the Millibands will be feeling the pinch in their Hampstead homes. People need to stop believing these people give a damn about you and start standing on their own two feet, because you're little but a walking vote for most of them.
Personally I don't think the private sector will pick up much of the slack. A fair bit of recent research has suggested that they're either unable to, or in some cases they simply don't want those being made redundant.
You also mention about politicians feeling your pain, as though any politician of whatever persuasion is anything but a wealthy individual. I mean you've got 'men of the people' like Bob Crow on six figure salaries. I don't suppose the Millibands will be feeling the pinch in their Hampstead homes. People need to stop believing these people give a damn about you and start standing on their own two feet, because you're little but a walking vote for most of them.
davek
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Because the regions - including the Liverpool City Region - were in competition with each other to attract inward investment. Some regions were able to compete better for a variety of reasons, and in a situation where there's a beauty contest some win and some lose. That's down to devolving responsibility to regions and ignoring blockages like infrastructure.
Typical Tory line this. We'll have the 'lazy Scousers' insult on the table soon.
Go on, you know you want to.
davek
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PFI is the 'gift' that never stops giving, sure. But you have to divorce means from end on that (although you'll get no argument from me on New Labour's dance to the tune of the market whilst in office).
As for the deficit: the Tories went every step of the way with Labour on the bail out strategy (and of course predate Labour on deregulation of the financial services sector) so they cant take any moral authority over the debate. They know full well why the finances are as they are. The truth is that this is the Tories once in a generation opportunity to bring the hammer down on state intervention. I'm sure not even they believe the private sector are being crowded out by the state - that wont be the fundamental reason for embarking on these savage cuts; they're just driven by base instincts to punish and control.
Robert Jarvis
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Well Dave if we are to believe the Guardian article it just goes to show that the Labour MPs/Party are a miserable bunch of spineless halfwits and on that basis we perhaps well rid of them.
For me though I still look at their utter failure in immigration and the problems this has caused the country. The LP talk of lower paid being hit the hardest from the cuts however they did not say that when Brown abolished the 10p tax band. Add to that taking us into 2 wars which should never have been (10 years in Afghanistan now and no hope of winning anything there not without taking the fight to Pakistan). Sorry dave the LP consistently failed many of the less well off during their term and the richer got richer. Johnson talks of increasing taxes well the LP had 13 years to do some thing about that.
Said enough, we should look forward not backward and try to make the most of what ever happens.
For me though I still look at their utter failure in immigration and the problems this has caused the country. The LP talk of lower paid being hit the hardest from the cuts however they did not say that when Brown abolished the 10p tax band. Add to that taking us into 2 wars which should never have been (10 years in Afghanistan now and no hope of winning anything there not without taking the fight to Pakistan). Sorry dave the LP consistently failed many of the less well off during their term and the richer got richer. Johnson talks of increasing taxes well the LP had 13 years to do some thing about that.
Said enough, we should look forward not backward and try to make the most of what ever happens.
davek
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I was thinking more that the region wallows in victim status or something instead
Jesus..you didn't just type that did you?
Really?
FFS. You are morally bankrupt.
I've been taking lessons from Chico Thought you'd make me work a bit harder than simply trotting out a line from dear old Boris though.
Thought you'd make me work a bit harder than simply trotting out a line from dear old Boris though.- Status
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