So, Aliens.....

[magicjuan]

yeah right lads, two different Adams meet with 2 Eves on the same day in different worlds. No chance

The root of the name 'Adam(a)' means 'of the earth/soil/clay' and in many creation myths mankind is born of the soil, and in most creation myths there are more than a single human created. Better than Das Bible version anyway

 

[chrismpw]

That is pretty much a there you go there.





Are they enough?

but only on this planet it is. Same say on this planet gases in the atmosphere are deadly to us and some aren't. Whereas on another planet life could well be adapted to those sorts of conditions that would kill us.

As i am trying to say, we only know what we know, we don't know anything really about space or anything else out there. apart from rocks from space, we get them, and moon rock, other than that nothing. How do we not know that there is life on Mars? Or on jupiter? Or on neptune? conditions that would make it impossible for us to live there does not make it impossible for another life form to.

Just question science when it exists far beyond our reach. Look up, just think how far that goes, how many planets there are, how many galaxies, how much there could possibly be. Can you genuinely say there isn't a chance that there is so many things out there we couldn't comprehend? that everything out there has to bide by Earth's rules just because that is how we know it? There is no chance that science could be different elsewhere, which contradicts ours?

Just trying to question the notion that we do not know everything and there is a chance that we couldn't comprehend it either.

I agree insofar as life elsewhere may be very different to here. Even on earth there are fundamentally different forms of life. Early earth life relied on hydrogen sulphide for respiration. When photosynthesising algae started producing oxygen it was a toxic byproduct. It still is pretty deadly, but we are an offshoot of those organisms that adapted, tolerated and started using the increasingly abundant gas. Those hydrogen sulphide organisms are still on the planet, and they exist in deep oceans near volcanic vents. Oxygen would kill them just as H2S is deadly to us. So yes, life could be very different, unimaginably different.
However, my point is that some requirements are pretty much universal - there is no replacement for water as a universal solvent, yet known in the world of chemistry. If one day we discover it, then in no way will that substance be as abundant in the universe as water. Hydrogen is the most common element by a huge way. Oxygen is 3rd or 4th as I recall - so there's going to be an immense amount of water, and therefore it is immensely probable that life anywhere will have used it.
I'm pretty sure all life has that I'm common.

 

[tsubaki]

But "God's" role is not as a controller of men; that is why he is the "creator", not the "director". Life is not life if there is no free will or self determinism. It could be argued that God's greatness was in giving Men free will. Good and evil are human ideologies, but nothing is that simple. I imagine that you or I do not view ourselves as "evil", yet I'm sure there are repressed peoples in far flung corners of the world who view our role in the world as exactly that.

I'm not saying that I'm a creationist, but I have thought about it - a lot - and the only sensible stance to hold is truly that no one knows, which is why I completely take the agnostic position. I have no idea if there was a Creator, and I have no idea if Aliens exist. In light of what we know and what is testable, the null hypothesis with a healthy dose of skepticism is not a bad position to take. If you believe in God as a creator then fine, if you don't that's fine too.. the worst is those who pigheadedly refuse to look at the opposing view.

Not sure where I went with that ramble. soz.

That is to reduce God to essentially nothing though, responsible for one act (or at most two acts) of creation an immeasurable time ago and then nothing since. Come to think if it, it doesn't take that much to remove even that from Him, given what science suggests could have happened.

As for the whole atheism vs deism vs theology debate, it is important that everyone examines each others viewpoint (if for no other reason than to keep things polite) but those debates invariably fall down because two of the three sides rest on faith and not evidence.

 

[Naisy'sCharitableLeanings]

I am talking theoretically.

God is in the sky, the devil is below the ground. So if you believe so much in the sky god then go and find him, rather than sit on the ground and argue about who's god is greater.

Personally i am an athiest, so don't believe in god. But others do, and some of those war over it, whereas if all that money and effort was put into society to further advance technology then perhaps exploring space and finding life within 100 years isn't too much of a fantasy.

I mean step one is finding a way to get back from mars.....

Be easier to tunnel into the earth to find the Devil first surely, given it's a finite space? Nail that, quiz Beelzebub over God's last hiding place, then we head for the skies...!

 

[Naisy'sCharitableLeanings]

Not yet. Not until he leaves our galaxy and spreads his intergalactic seed.

With his problem feet? Can't see it myself...

 

[Gladystweet]

With his problem feet? Can't see it myself...

Feet? Where he's going, he doesn't need feet!!

 

[roydo]

Deffo.

Sit in the Top Balcony, glance to your right, and there they are.

 

[Naisy'sCharitableLeanings]

Feet? Where he's going, he doesn't need feet!!

This is Ash we're talking about - you think he'll do things the expected way?!

 

[peteblue]

Deffo.

Sit in the Top Balcony, glance to your right, and there they are.

Park Enders ?..........

 

[Gladystweet]

Park Enders ?..........

Ghastly!!

 

[Abraders]

I reckon there are loads of aliens and we are quite far behind in terms of our technological development, comparatively to them.

 

[chrismpw]

Feet? Where he's going, he doesn't need feet!!

Or if he does need feet - also needs asbestos boots.

 

[chrismpw]

I reckon there are loads of aliens and we are quite far behind in terms of our technological development, comparatively to them.

I think the stage of technological development would be almost impossible to predict.
It took so many billion years for the first stars to manufacture the array of elements and then super nova themselves spreading them across space before they coalesced into planets. Then we have the issue of what elements are abundant to be found on each planet. Earlier planets, billions of years older than earth, might not have larger elements such as gold, making it more difficult to to make reliable electrical connections, or uranium, meaning no concept of atomic power!
Evolutionary development of intelligence on our planet was probably set back by meteorite impacts and other mass extinctions, but who's to say that the same didn't happen elsewhere?
Also, if intelligent life developed on a water planet, what technology could they have ever developed? Certainly it would make electronics and space exploration difficult - even the invention of fire! That wouldn't mean to say that they would have less intelligence.
If earth is anything to go by even 50 years of development leads to a vast difference in technological ability, so given a difference of millions of years, we could be astoundingly behind. However, there is even a chance that we could be the most advanced - but only if all life elsewhere shares our skills of being distracted by religion and greed for profit.

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

The BBC physicist Brian Cox has theorised that the only reason we haven't encountered extra-terrestrial civilisations is because civilisations that reach a certain level of technological advancement (nuclear weapons etc) probably end up killing themselves off.

Humankind itself has come close to annihilating itself before now, most notably with the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962. And climate change (caused in part by technology such as cars) looks likely to be catastrophic, too.

There are over 100,000,000,000 (100 billion) galaxies in the visible universe, so there's got to have been some life out there.

My thoughts too. Species taking thousands of years to evolve, reaching their potential then obliterating each other leaving only the "less" intelligent life forms.

Sort of feel like any other life forms would be totally unrecognisable to us though, life sentient clouds of gas who communicate through flashing lights or something.