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"Well, this 'hardcore american soccer fan' says Landon is a lot better despite Clint's goal scoring ability. I'm surprised you infer you're a 'hardcore' fan and don't see that Landon is by-far and away the more well-rounded player. More power to Clint, as an American I like to see Dempsey do well but no way is Clint in Landon's class."

I'm surprised you act like I'm the only hardcore fan with this opinion when you know that is simply not the case. To say far and away is a bit much.
 

To be fair you really shaded this argument to suit your needs. If we're being fair and full disclosure it's a decade plus for donovan in a vastly inferior league that is only now gaining a bit of respect. Meanwhile Demps has been top scorer or second tops 5 years running at fulham. Say what you want abut fulham but they've finished in the top half two of the last few seasons and had a europa league final.That includes seasons missing much time through injury and seasons where new managers didn't start him for a bit of the season. One of only four men in the PL with 6 or more goals 5 years running. Your biggest poor attempt at a comparison was saying down to rating fulham over mls when if being fair it's rating league to league. PL over MLS. Not club over league. Not saying I don't rate donovan. He's exceptional but to paint Donovan as so vastly superior to Dempsey is just not so.
Kay20 said:
But he's had that success for two seasons really (he's been on fire 2011/2012). Compared to LD's decade+.

It all comes down to rating Fulham over MLS.

Cause johnnydawg, you are fine to have your opinion, but one thing I don't understand is folks not looking at the numbers. Because if you do, it's no contest.

Doesn't matter, the two of them are best. Whichever you rank first.
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Skidrow said:
To be fair you really shaded this argument to suit your needs. If we're being fair and full disclosure it's a decade plus for donovan in a vastly inferior league that is only now gaining a bit of respect. Meanwhile Demps has been top scorer or second tops 5 years running at fulham. Say what you want abut fulham but they've finished in the top half two of the last few seasons and had a europa league final.That includes seasons missing much time through injury and seasons where new managers didn't start him for a bit of the season. One of only four men in the PL with 6 or more goals 5 years running. Your biggest poor attempt at a comparison was saying down to rating fulham over mls when if being fair it's rating league to league. PL over MLS. Not club over league. Not saying I don't rate donovan. He's exceptional but to paint Donovan as so vastly superior to Dempsey is just not so.
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280+ goals & assists for club and country = LD
100+ goals & assists for club and country = CD

Even if you discount for the level in MLS, the numbers are staggering.

And the assist stat for Landon is misleading. If you watch his games and see the countless flubs by our USMNT forwards and MLS forwards it's painful. He should be well over 300 if he played more with forwards at his class.

I have done quite a bit of research on the stats. Taking it from 2004 onwards, removing some of the CONCACAF powder puff games, taking a look at scoring rates...stat story remains the same.

I never said that LD is "vastly superior" to Clint Dempsey. I have specifically said I rate them as #1 and #2 American players of ALL-TIME. And I have nothing against Fulham. But some folks act like by having Clint play for Fulham he's playing for Man U. And though he's had a solid few years, it's been 2011/2012 where he's broken through. And WOW has he broken through.

What I meant by folks rating Dempsey over Donovan is that they do indeed discount LD's MLS service by calling it an inferior league. It is. But folks do NOT recognize the extent of LD's service in that league, and imo they discount his international play when comparing to Clint. Plus, MLS is not as bad as folks makes out.

It all comes down to what you value more, club over country. People who value the EPL more tend to pick Clint. I value country, the more well-rounded play (LD scores AND creates) and the stats. So to me, it's no contest who is #1.

My opinion, but I'm not "shading" anything. I have the numbers to back it up.
 

Landon is the better player. Not only does he make those around him better and set up them up with his passing. He also has a better goal scoring rate. Donovan is a playmaker who is ace at playing the ball to a teammate, he can place shots with very good accuracy and his set pieces are far far better than Dempsey(not to mention the defense that Donovan plays and Dempsey refuses to). But, don't think I don't rate Dempsey. He has superior creativity and great shooting ability as well, he's been tearing it up this year. I wouldn't trade Dempsey away for Landon or vice versa. They are both important to the US team, and to their own respective clubs. They are currently A1 and A2 for the USA in my opinion.
 

Kay20 said:
280+ goals & assists for club and country = LD
100+ goals & assists for club and country = CD

Even if you discount for the level in MLS, the numbers are staggering.

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It all comes down to what you value more, club over country. People who value the EPL more tend to pick Clint. I value country, the more well-rounded play (LD scores AND creates) and the stats. So to me, it's no contest who is #1.

My opinion, but I'm not "shading" anything. I have the numbers to back it up.
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There were go!!! American stats!
I fully support this research.
 
SJtotalfootball said:
As a supporter of the San Jose Earthquakes, I would ask that you please review Landon's departure from the other California club he once starred for...
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I know all about that, sir. Earthquakes (Alexi Lalas) traded away their rights to LD. They didn't have to. Whether Landon returned in 3 months or 3 years, they had already lost their rights to him.

Let's not waste time on an Everton board arguing about such things.
 
Kay20 said:
Cause johnnydawg, you are fine to have your opinion, but one thing I don't understand is folks not looking at the numbers. Because if you do, it's no contest.
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I'm making a very specific point. The average world football fan isn't going to rate LD over Dempsey right now simply because of the leagues they play in. I'm not anti-MLS, although I'm not an MLS "fan" due to the leagues continuing snub of St. Louis getting a franchise, but Dempsey is getting it done on a regular basis in one of the top 2 leagues in the world. If LD wants to claim the mantle of the best American outfield player ever, then he needs to come to Everton full time, period.
 

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