Should we really blame Moyes?

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paulbefc

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It's an essay I know, but if you can be arsed I'd like to know whether I'm chatting complete bollocks or whether there's anyone (at all) out there who agrees with me still.

I always had faith in a Moyes everton team to turn things around. Unfortunately this squad (probably) isn't up to it. It's weak, stale and every new player coming in (bar Drenthe) just illustrates the fact that we're heading down hill.

The Moyes Out brigade as they're so called have been in full voice today which is fair enough as it's each to his own and I would understand that if all I had to go on was a list of our results since the start of the season. However, while watching the game today I was less disenchanted about the first XI than I was the whole squad.

Today we watched Seamus Coleman have probably the worst day at the office he's had so far. He was utterly ****e virtually from start to finish. At first I was angry at him. My first thought was: how could a premier league footballer make so many glaring errors in such quick succession? But on reflection I had to conclude that he's not a premier league footballer. Plain and simple. He's still the Irish league player we bought for 60k. A good turn of pace, attitude and an eye for goal. That's about the whole package from Seamus. Bargain buy from the manager and scouts? Undoubtedly yes. Premier league winger/full back? Almost certainly not. The same, I believe will go for Vellios once he gets good game time. Let's remember he was valued at 200k by his former employers. Will he be a bargain buy? Wouldn't put it past him. Will he be good enough to move us on? Virtually no chance.

I got frustrated at Moyes for starting Coleman at all. Why start someone who's lacking in quality so badly it makes you cringe? It's simple. He had no other choice. This squad has had gaping holes ripped into it every transfer window since 09 with virtually nothing coming in to fill the gaps but bargain basement buys such as Seamus, Vellios and Straqualursi and loan signings. It's like plugging holes in a cruise liner with chewing gum when you think of what city are spending. We've seen Lescott, Yak, Beckford, Pienaar and Arteta go in that period. Four of those names were pivotal in the fantastic season enjoyed in 07-08. Why did they leave? Either we didn't have the money to pay them or we needed the money to pay the bank. Do you think Moyes wanted to sell Beckford?

So that leaves Moyes with the thankless task of trying to put out a team made up of the skeleton of a once "successful" side and a few amateurs. Hibbert and Osman shouldn't still be starting for us and if you told us in 08 that they would we'dbe we'd have been stunned. Ossie was fantastic in 07-08 and that's great for him but ffs that was years ago we needed to move on and bring in the new arteta, the next pienaar etc. If we'd had money we would have. Of bleeding course we would have. Everyone goes on about money being important in the game nowadays because it IS. The thing is, we've got someone in charge who can do better with 2 million than many can with 10. He doesn't even have £2m to play with anymore though. He has nothing. Even when he had money it was a big deal how little we had and yet we achieved. We got that 20 goal a season striker and started spanking people 7 and 6-1 and going on fantastic european runs.

Moyes isn't waving his arms around and kicking off on the touchline because his hands are tied. (Not literally). Some people say he has given up. I say he just doesn't expect anymore. When he sees Coleman attempt to cross and the ball go out for a goal kick and Seamus end up on his ass and the camera pans to him all I see is the look of "well that's what you get for 60k". That's not his fault. He doesn't expect because he's not soft and I'm stunned at the fact that he's till willing to try to help us (albeit on 65k a week).

I don't think a more tactically aggressive manager will do anything for us other than put more strain on the accounts when he gives up and leaves himself demanding a big payoff. I guess I'm a bad, bad Moyes apologist. But if he can stay with us until that possibly imaginary day when we get a buyer, I believe we'll have an edge on the other big spenders because we have a top manager.
 

Way too harsh on Coleman mate. A right back being played at left wing??!!

He was on the right most of the game though wasn't he? And to be honest this isn't knee jerk, I wanted him to be a world beater here I just don't see it in him.
 
He was on the right most of the game though wasn't he? And to be honest this isn't knee jerk, I wanted him to be a world beater here I just don't see it in him.

I think he's a squad player if I'm honest. He certainly wouldn't start a game if he we had money to spend. Still, he's capable at RM, and who knows if he can settle in at RB if we dont actually stick him in there on a regular basis?
 

Part of the problem is the players are stressed out and trying to win matches on their own, which is causing the individual mistakes and general lack of purpose as a whole.
 
I love DM but he got a few things wrong today Seamus at left wing was ridiculous -Drenthe looked boss on the right but Seamus should have been taken off.
 
Part of the problem is the players are stressed out and trying to win matches on their own, which is causing the individual mistakes and general lack of purpose as a whole.

I tend to agree but I have to say that it's not personal but there are players in the squad who are holding us back and it's the prem quality players that are having to win matches on their own.
 
We should blame Moyes but it's secondary blame. He is flawed but then he has the life drained out of him and I think that is telling this season.
 

the blame is collective and has to be shared .....ur post seems to be alluding to its all colemans fault which i think is way off the mark ....

he brings energy and a willingness to the team and yes there are times thats his skill level is head scratching but i doubt he stood up today and said " gaffer pick mme as a left winger today please"

and ur question is should we blame moyes ???????
 
Ok, realistically it's not all Moyes's fault. The players aren't performing how they should have, and had we bagged a few goals in these last few games then it would be looking more dandy.

However, the same problems exist now that have existed for years. Even when we're winning, we're hardly exciting to watch are we? Personally, if we had won the last few games, i wouldn't be complaining quite as much obviously, however my qualms with Moyes would still be there without a doubt.

Moyes plays the same formation, same players, same tactics and the same everything all the time. He is completely unwilling to make change, and it doesn't look like he thinks we can even pull anything off at the moment. Certain players start playing well and we do well as a result, i.e. Baines last year. The thing is though, teams suss out those players and because we're so unbelievably one dimensional and don't mix things up. As someone has said before we'd all be rich if you could bet on the line up or formation... and guess what, so can other teams managers!

The tactics Moyes makes us play are slow, they are stale, they don't work how they used to. The players we have are better than how we play, and they know that. There's a reason Moyes falls out with all our strikers! We need to play quicker, we need to take more risks, we need to field our best team (not holding back on players because they're young, if they make mistakes then they'll learn).
 

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