Should Martinez be sacked? (Post-WBA poll)

Time for the sackerino?

  • Without question yes

    Votes: 59 18.0%

  • Probably yes

    Votes: 34 10.4%

  • I'm leaning towards yes

    Votes: 108 33.0%

  • No it's fine

    Votes: 114 34.9%

  • Cheese on trips to Wigan next season

    Votes: 12 3.7%
  • Total voters
    327
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mrb85 said:
I keep reading this on this forum. What part of '1 win in 14' provides you with that expectation?
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Our performances in the last few games have proved for me that we have enough. Also the fact we're 12th after the awful season we've had shows you how much dirge there really is in this league.

We're 33/1 to go down with the bookies mate so if you're so confident there's some money to be made ;)
 

Foot Long Hot Dog said:
Why?

Don't we aspire to be on the same level as those inbreds? That example shows that they wouldn't accept poor league performance, and yet we're being told that we should accept it without question, due to last season ffs.
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If we where spending 80-120m every other season I would be questioning the manager and probably leading from the front to get him out. What you seem to be ignoring is the fact that we usually don't spend more than we get from player sales. It becomes difficult when we lose players that are an asset to the club and carry on as normal. Top teams usually oust the dead wood and replace with better because they can afford to. We usually offer the deadwood extended contracts so our squad is of adequate size. We cannot afford a squad of quality players. We are a budget team plain and simple. A team like us needs to build slowly because of lack of funds but this has its fall backs as players want to go to more ambitious/loaded teams who are capable of big wages and buying trophies and also age starts catching up because of the slow process of building. We are always in a struggle to keep our better players.
 
davek said:
Says it all this. "let's be as fickle as the Kopites with their sense of entitlement"
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The decision to bin KKK was nothing to do with the fans sense of entitlement and everything to do with the ambition and demands of their owners. Failure gets you the boot at a big club.

It's highly ironic that you're banging the drum for Martinez retention when you were one of the fiercest critics of Moyes 'safe' position under Kenwright and how it lacked ambition that the '6th place trophy' was the glass ceiling for the club. You've been hold Martinez 5th place trophy aloft all season ffs.
 
Foot Long Hot Dog said:
The decision to bin KKK was nothing to do with the fans sense of entitlement and everything to do with the ambition and demands of their owners. Failure gets you the boot at a big club.

It's highly ironic that you're banging the drum for Martinez retention when you were one of the fiercest critics of Moyes 'safe' position under Kenwright and how it lacked ambition that the '6th place trophy' was the glass ceiling for the club. You've been hold Martinez 5th place trophy aloft all season ffs.
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I gave full backing to Moyes up to a point: the 2009 season when he failed to speak out against the cuts made to the second team he'd built. It was not opposition based on league position, I assure you. It was all we can best expect under this Kenwright regime.

So I'm being very consistent in continuing not to kneejerk over league position and how it might affect our manager's status...and that went for Moyes too when he dragged us down to this position and beyond on four occasions.

You might try a bit of consistency yourself instead of bleating with the other dissidents that you cant have another top 5 finish this season.
 

davek said:
You might try a bit of consistency yourself instead of bleating with the other dissidents that you cant have another top 5 finish this season.
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'Can't'? You say it like it was an impossibility from the off.

The only reason we haven't attained that level again (or anywhere near it) is down to incredibly poor management from Mr Brown Shoes. Dress it up all you like, but he had a £33m net spend last summer, smashed our transfer record and was given the backing to bring in a legend of the game in Eto'o. The mere fact that we're even discussing the possibility of relegation, means he's failed on a level that none of us would have seen coming back in August. You think that we should just shrug, write it off and let him continue on the same path that he's go no intention of deviating from - I don't, as I think he'd should pay for this failure by emptying his desk.
 
Had Moyes spent 28 mill on a striker and turned in this league performance and immediate exits from both cups the pitch forks would be out. If we'd seen some of these ridiculous three number 10 formations, two full backs in midfield, Lukaku out wide, Barkley on the other wing, Barry playing every match, fans would have been demanding blood such was the frustration. Martinez has been given an easy ride because he's likeable and people aren't bored of him yet. That shouldn't cover up what a disgrace of a season this has been.
 
Foot Long Hot Dog said:
'Can't'? You say it like it was an impossibility from the off.
The only reason we haven't attained that level again (or anywhere near it) is down to incredibly poor management from Mr Brown Shoes. Dress it up all you like, but he had a £33m net spend last summer, smashed our transfer record and was given the backing to bring in a legend of the game in Eto'o. The mere fact that we're even discussing the possibility of relegation, means he's failed on a level that none of us would have seen coming back in August. You think that we should just shrug, write it off and let him continue on the same path that he's go no intention of deviating from - I don't, as I think he'd should pay for this failure by emptying his desk.
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First of all top 5 is pretty much pushing the envelope for this club and almost an impossibility when you have to stretch your squad in the EL too; second, the net spend has to be taken over the two seasons, not just your very convenient last summer audit; third, I dont just shrug this season off, I call it appalling. But what I also find appalling is the lack of class and loyalty of certain self proclaimed hanging jury members drawing the entirely wrong conclusion and calling for the manager to be sacked.
 
davek said:
First of all top 5 is pretty much pushing the envelope for this club and almost an impossibility when you have to stretch your squad in the EL too; second, the net spend has to be taken over the two seasons, not just your very convenient last summer audit; third, I dont just shrug this season off, I call it appalling. But what I also find appalling is the lack of class and loyalty of certain self proclaimed hanging jury members drawing the entirely wrong conclusion and calling for the manager to be sacked.
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So it's appalling and yet you're prepared to accept it........gotcha
 

davek said:
First of all top 5 is pretty much pushing the envelope for this club and almost an impossibility when you have to stretch your squad in the EL too; second, the net spend has to be taken over the two seasons, not just your very convenient last summer audit; third, I dont just shrug this season off, I call it appalling. But what I also find appalling is the lack of class and loyalty of certain self proclaimed hanging jury members drawing the entirely wrong conclusion and calling for the manager to be sacked.
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I would say that we're suffering a post-Moyes hang over. In a team at the top of its game and properly established.

We can challenge on all fronts.


The post-Moyes hangover includes a woeful lack of wingers at the club.

Wingers as in a proper sense of the word. With pace.

Agree on the Quislings bit though.
 

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