Yes it does but the point was that the players aren't being held back because this is their level and yes this is also Dyche's level I'm not arguing with that."they have consistently found themselves in these positions over their career if I could be bothered I would work out where the average finishing position of players in our squad is over the last 5 or 6 years and I bet it would be in the relegation battle."
This applies to dyche himself as well
Yes do you understand English I said the last 5 or 6 years in the original post so you don't go back 15 years to start the average.
Oh right, you want to take away all the good seasons and only use the bad Seasons.
Well unless you're happy to say Ashley Young should play every week now that he's 39 because he was good when he was 22 I don't really see what the issue is? The last 5 or 6 years doesn't have to mean all the good seasons go and bad ones stay I assume you didn't bother counting Pickford coming about 150th with Alfreton Town when you said he averaged 10th so it would work both ways if thats how you wanted to do it.
Well, I made all the numbers up, so the numbers arent that deep.
Is Keane a better defender than Tarkowski? One was relegated and one wasn't. Individual players don't get relegated, teams do.
I don't agree with the last line but I certainly don't think Dyche is a miracle worker I just think he's doing an alright job and doesn't deserve the amount of criticism he gets. I don't really know what you mean by the other bit of course individual players don't get relegated but if you've spent your entire career coming near the bottom of the table then it stands to reason that is probably your level and like I said already that applies to Dyche the same as it does to the players.
I'm not going to belabor the point. You think Dyche is doing alright, and I dont. I know he's not getting sacked any time soon, but once he does, I think people will look back on his tenure the same way they do Big Sam. He won some games playing the worst football you can imagine, but he was never the caliber of manager Everton needed.
Thinking this is the key point in the debate. Dyche is , in fact, a half competent manager. His predecessors were less than half competent. This does not mean we should not be looking to appoint an upgrade, i.e. a manager who is more than half competent.
His insistence on Young playing runs counter to your argument, but to each their own.
Not sure this quite works when for Dyche has spent more seasons finishing above the relegation zone (and never below 18th) in the PL..
