2023/24 Sean Dyche

If the transfer window closed right now with no more incomings or outgoings then his squad (when all fit) would look something like this..

Pickford
Virginia

Patterson - Tarkowski - Branthwaite - Mykolenko
Coleman -------- Keane --------- Godfrey --------- Young

Garner --------------- Onana
-- Gana ---------------------- Gomes

McNeil

Doucoure
Dele
Harrison ---------------------- Danjuma
Iwobi --------------------------------- Gray
Dobbin -------------------------------------
Beto
DCL

Chermiti
Maupay

Is that enough to see us safe from relegation?
No it’s not Patterson crap Mykolenko crap Branthwaite looked decent but still unknown. Gray is still probably gone an Injury to Harrison we have Iwobi or Dobbin and injury to Beto we have DCL if he’s fit and the crap maupay. No we wouldn’t be ok we need about 3 more signings in.
 
For the 1st 20 minutes I thought the players were very poor. Should Dyche of told them to sit tight suck it up 100% Keane pass to Pickford sorry you can't coach that, that's natural ability. As the game progressed it was more apparent how clueless he is. Beto coming and Gana steadied the ship and instilled confidence. If we loose on Saturday then he needs to go end of. There are no more excuses!
Could not agree more, the word clueless is perfectly acceptable for him.
 
If the transfer window closed right now with no more incomings or outgoings then his squad (when all fit) would look something like this..

Pickford
Virginia

Patterson - Tarkowski - Branthwaite - Mykolenko
Coleman -------- Keane --------- Godfrey --------- Young

Garner --------------- Onana
-- Gana ---------------------- Gomes

McNeil

Doucoure
Dele
Harrison ---------------------- Danjuma
Iwobi --------------------------------- Gray
Dobbin -------------------------------------
Beto
DCL

Chermiti
Maupay

Is that enough to see us safe from relegation?

Gomes will get shifted. He's played absolutely zero in any pre season or been on the bench (I don't think).

Iwobi and Gray could be gone.

Still need a CB, CM, Winger.
 
But that's not the entire game. That's the catalyst and we should press higher...but when we had the ball they were awful for 60mins.

Straight from the off you had Keane under hitting a back pass. Godfrey slicing clearances or running the ball out of play. Myko scared to cross the half way line. Everyone's touch was atrocious with Onana and Doucoure looking like baby Giraffes.

Did you see when Garner over hit a simple pass down the wing to Danjuma? Stuff like that doesn't help whatever tactics you want to impose.

You could've set up that team to play Tiki-Taka...they wouldn't be able to pull it off.

You could see the last 30mins how we dominated the game, hit the bar, post, scored 2. Passed it better, kept the ball more. Mainly because Gana settled the middle IMO.
When the players stopped listening to Dyches instructions on the sideline
 
This is such an odd opinion and one i have seen from a lot of people.

Its blafantly obvious we have been cfiminly mismanaged, are a bottom half PL side. But this manager should be getting more out of the players to his disposal.

Why cant Dyche motivate Godfrey to return to the player he was under Ancelotti and getting England caps.

Why has Onana and Patterson regressed and not being utilised properly in terms of the value they have to the club and potential they have shown previously?

The games against Wolves & Fulham were evident, this style and way of playing is out dated! If you relinquish control of the football in your home games against bottom half teams, you are going to be more erratic when you do have the ball, hence poor finishing.

The players blatantly dont enjoy this style (apart from Tarkowski) and its evidant to see, they arent alowed to express themselves or show any bit of individuality.....including being told how to wear their training socks.

8 full internationals on the pitch yesterday including Englands number 1 goalkeeper (dont get me started on him taking the armband off pickford) 2 under 21 internationals and couldnt muster anything lkke a chance for 60 odd minutes.

People think Dyche's style will get us over the line as its 'solid' etc. We are conceding at a rate were we will be going down! Its all very very similar to Benitez

You have summed it up well. It is largely down to Dyche's tactics why we are so awful, for me anyway.

I despair how could he pick Keane again ??????????
 
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If you have watched the way we play under Dyche and for whatever reason believe he is tactically capable of managing our club I suggest you read the above from Wikipedia. You really could write his tactical plan on the back of a beer mat. Sit deep and try to win possession when the ball comes into the box and then POMO is his tactical plan – straight out of the 1980s from the much derided Charles Hughes.
Nothing stands still, certainly not in the world of sport, including football. Tactics develop. Sadly, we have a manager who has no intention whatsoever of changing. We are stuck in the past in so many ways as a club (sentimental Bill wittering on about the boys pen ) so perhaps we have the manager who suits the club. I for one am at the point of giving up on Everton after over 25 years of following them as a season-ticket holder. Never been so angry or felt so humiliated by the tactics displayed by our manager against a team that is very bottom (yes – 92nd) in the football league – in the 1st half it looked like we were the team that was 92nd in the football league.
Looks to me like some of those players want out as well - they know they are in for a terrible year in a relegation fight and their careers will be damaged by playing under this manager.
 
When the players stopped listening to Dyches instructions on the sideline

These players wouldn't cross a road if they weren't told the red light was on.

It's the same when everyone said Carlo "didn't coach the players"

Just cos you saw pictures of him pointing a few times to go direct...they didn't all suddenly stop and turn in to Man City on their own account
 
To be fair to Dyche, I'm starting to come around to the idea that this season could be salvageable if we add a few more decent players before the deadline and then sack him.
 
You realise that Dyche has been responsible for coaching them for the past 8 months? He doesn't just choose the formation and choose the starting 11. If they can't pass properly or position themselves then that is partly down to their training. It's weird that your whole thing at the moment is that it's all the players and what is poor Sean supposed to do. He's supposed to coach them, that's his job.
We do look all over the place and being set up difficult to beat, well we have shipped 7 goals in 4 matches. That's not good enough by any standard. Generally supportive of Dyche myself but no hiding in football management.
 
So was yours comparing Sean Dyche to Simeone and Ancelotti.
Never directly compared them, said that they have used similar formations for large parts of their managerial career - is that incorrect?

It’s pretty clear that Dyche is a transitionary manager for yous whilst you get back on the good side of FFP and move into your new stadium.

He will be briefed that staying in the PL is an absolute priority. I suspect after that he will probably be moved on for someone else.

Massive game this weekend against Sheff United, good performance there and you’re right back on track.

My overriding point is some of the takes on his ability and tactical nous is just bollocks.

If you think changing manager now after just signing a tailor made striker for Dyche and still waiting for players to come back fit then fair enough but it seems like you’d just be spinning your wheels again and again and again.
 

Interesting view from SportingLife...

Will Everton get relegated: Why keeping Sean Dyche was a mistake​


By Alex Keble
12:54 · THU August 31, 2023

It's a period of misery in the blue half of Merseyside.
There are dozens of complexly interwoven concerns both financial and managerial that explain Everton’s unravelling but now they have sunk to the bottom of the Premier League, pointless and goalless, the most pressing concern is disarmingly simple: Everton cannot score goals and they cannot defend.
The journey to this point has been long and boring.
Moshiri

Everton owner Farhad Moshiri
A succession of ill-advised appointments, from the worst-possible-option Rafael Benitez to the somehow-even-worse Frank Lampard, combined with desperately poor transfer decisions have created a club in crisis, facing the prospect of administration and Football League obscurity should they be relegated this season.
That context is important to consider before analysing the Sean Dyche era, not because Dyche should be relieved of responsibility for Everton’s disastrous start to 2023/24 but because his very presence in the dugout should be tied to the unique panic of the spring.
Dyche was always a fire-fighter manager, not a fresh beginning; a desperate lunge for survival, not a promise to change.

Keeping Dyche was a mistake​

Everton boss Sean Dyche

Of all the mistakes Everton have made, keeping Dyche beyond the summer might prove to be the biggest. Under his guidance they have won 21 points from 21 games. They have conceded 35 goals and scored just 19. They have won five matches, four of them by a 1-0 score line, the other (without which they would not have survived and nor would Dyche) a bizarre and anomalous 5-1 win at Brighton in which the hosts out-xG'ed them 3.2 - 2.3.
Dyche has been undermined by Everton’s severe financial problems, of course. They have been referred by the Premier League to an independent commission for an alleged breach of Financial Fair Play after posting a £44.7 million loss in 2021/22 and nine-figure losses in each of the two years before that.
The new stadium build has placed a heavy burden on the club and current debts stand at £142 million, hence their minimal investment in players this summer.
But that alone cannot account for how little impact he has had on a club that, one year ago, were not considered to be relegation candidates. Dyche was brought in to rescue Everton from a situation they ought not to have been in, yet eight months into his tenure they no longer seem out of place in the bottom three.

Burnley model doesn't work with Everton​

James Tarkowski and Sean Dyche together at Burnley

James Tarkowski and Sean Dyche together at Burnley
Worse than that, they don’t even seem very Dychian. The 1-0 wins towards the end of last season and a lack of goals is in line with his time at Burnley, where over seven years in the top flight they averaged 36.9 goals per season, but Everton’s defence is far too porous for the Burnley model to work.
Michael Keane and James Tarkowski seem too slow as a partnership - with both players lacking the security they used to get from Ben Mee beside them - while Dyche’s options are limited after Yerry Mina and Conor Coady left the club. Their goals against record is only getting worse with time, and there is frankly nowhere in the Dyche playbook that allows for this.
Everton heatmaps

He relies upon stolid 1-0 wins, as do Everton; they have won only one (the 5-1 at Brighton) of the last 25 league matches in which they have conceded.
But the larger and more notable absence of a Dyche influence is his consistent, and consistently ineffective, use of a 4-5-1 formation despite exclusively deploying a 4-4-2 at Burnley.
Two big strikers working in tandem to bring down the long balls or get on the end of crosses was, more than anything else, what defined Dyche as a Premier League manager: between 2017 and 2021, before their partnership was broken up, Chris Wood and Ashley Barnes scored 76 goals, or 48% of Burnley’s total.
Everton passing networks

Despite Everton’s goalscoring problems preceding his appointment Dyche hasn’t tried fielding two strikers together. Not once. Options have been limited, but even when Dominic Calvert-Lewin was unavailable Dyche would pick only one of Ellis Simms and Neal Maupay, leaving the other on the bench.
It would be wrong to suggest Everton’s goalscoring problems would be solved by throwing another striker onto the pitch, of course. Calvert-Lewin has scored seven goals in the last two years. Simms has only ever scored one Premier League goal. Maupay is without a goal in 29 matches and counting.
But what is important is that Dyche, never hired as a project manager but kept on regardless, has completely abandoned the one strategy that worked for him at Turf Moor (albeit with decreasing success: as they slid towards eventual relegation in 2021/22, Burnley scored just 34 and 33 league goals in their final two years).

Betting on Beto​

Beto Udinese

Everton's new striker Beto
Maybe that will change with the signing of powerful striker Beto, scorer of 10 Serie A goals for Udinese, who certainly has a profile more befitting of a Dyche forward than Maupay.
Perhaps Beto and Calvert-Lewin will form the strike partnership Everton so badly need, and perhaps new signings Jack Harrison and Arnaut Danjuma will provide the creativity and the crossing that is sorely needed for Burnley-esque football to emerge at Goodison Park.
Yet it feels more likely Everton are too mired, too downcast, to embrace the ugliness and the grind of Dyche’s football - and that’s assuming they will somehow start collecting clean sheets.
Beto

Indeed the beginning of the end for Dyche could come this weekend at Sheffield United, the other goalless and pointless Premier League side. Calvert-Lewin and Harrison remain sidelined. Everton have won just two of their last 22 Premier League away games.
Paul Heckingbottom’s 3-5-2 has a defensive stodginess that should shut down Everton’s one-dimensional attacking lines.
But there probably isn’t much need for analysis. Everton can’t score goals and they can’t defend. Unless something dramatic and unexpected changes, Dyche won’t be around for much longer.
 
In all honesty, that article is written by someone that has created a narrative and is trying to then cherry pick bits to justify the authors’ own opinion.

‘It would be wrong to suggest Everton’s goalscoring problems would be solved by throwing another striker onto the pitch’ - really? That’s not what the Fulham and Wolves game would suggest at all.

‘He exclusively played 4-4-2 with Burnley’ - wrong.
When Steven Defour was at his best in midfield we played 4-2-3-1 a lot of the time and passed it about quite a bit - most obvious example:



Dyche’s latter years with us are a different kettle of fish and seems to be the stain that follows him now and is often given without any extra context ; the club was being prepared for sale, next to nothing was put into the first team squad from our previous owners who were looking to make the club look as profitable and financially healthy as possible.

We stayed up after signing 5 players that could be considered first team/squad players in 3 years from 2018-21 - most notably a 31 yr old Dale Stephens released from Brighton as the only player in one transfer window. He kind of had to ‘batten down the hatches’ if you will.

I won’t harper on, just hope I’ve given a different perspective. All the best for the season.
 
In all honesty, that article is written by someone that has created a narrative and is trying to then cherry pick bits to justify the authors’ own opinion.

‘It would be wrong to suggest Everton’s goalscoring problems would be solved by throwing another striker onto the pitch’ - really? That’s not what the Fulham and Wolves game would suggest at all.

‘He exclusively played 4-4-2 with Burnley’ - wrong.
When Steven Defour was at his best in midfield we played 4-2-3-1 a lot of the time and passed it about quite a bit - most obvious example:



Dyche’s latter years with us are a different kettle of fish and seems to be the stain that follows him now and is often given without any extra context ; the club was being prepared for sale, next to nothing was put into the first team squad from our previous owners who were looking to make the club look as profitable and financially healthy as possible.

We stayed up after signing 5 players that could be considered first team/squad players in 3 years from 2018-21 - most notably a 31 yr old Dale Stephens released from Brighton as the only player in one transfer window. He kind of had to ‘batten down the hatches’ if you will.

I won’t harper on, just hope I’ve given a different perspective. All the best for the season.

Nope, he's crap and your crap.


Only joking (about you personally being crap. Dyche is crap though :) )
 
Interesting view from SportingLife...

Will Everton get relegated: Why keeping Sean Dyche was a mistake​


By Alex Keble
12:54 · THU August 31, 2023

It's a period of misery in the blue half of Merseyside.
There are dozens of complexly interwoven concerns both financial and managerial that explain Everton’s unravelling but now they have sunk to the bottom of the Premier League, pointless and goalless, the most pressing concern is disarmingly simple: Everton cannot score goals and they cannot defend.
The journey to this point has been long and boring.
Moshiri

Everton owner Farhad Moshiri
A succession of ill-advised appointments, from the worst-possible-option Rafael Benitez to the somehow-even-worse Frank Lampard, combined with desperately poor transfer decisions have created a club in crisis, facing the prospect of administration and Football League obscurity should they be relegated this season.
That context is important to consider before analysing the Sean Dyche era, not because Dyche should be relieved of responsibility for Everton’s disastrous start to 2023/24 but because his very presence in the dugout should be tied to the unique panic of the spring.
Dyche was always a fire-fighter manager, not a fresh beginning; a desperate lunge for survival, not a promise to change.

Keeping Dyche was a mistake​

Everton boss Sean Dyche

Of all the mistakes Everton have made, keeping Dyche beyond the summer might prove to be the biggest. Under his guidance they have won 21 points from 21 games. They have conceded 35 goals and scored just 19. They have won five matches, four of them by a 1-0 score line, the other (without which they would not have survived and nor would Dyche) a bizarre and anomalous 5-1 win at Brighton in which the hosts out-xG'ed them 3.2 - 2.3.
Dyche has been undermined by Everton’s severe financial problems, of course. They have been referred by the Premier League to an independent commission for an alleged breach of Financial Fair Play after posting a £44.7 million loss in 2021/22 and nine-figure losses in each of the two years before that.
The new stadium build has placed a heavy burden on the club and current debts stand at £142 million, hence their minimal investment in players this summer.
But that alone cannot account for how little impact he has had on a club that, one year ago, were not considered to be relegation candidates. Dyche was brought in to rescue Everton from a situation they ought not to have been in, yet eight months into his tenure they no longer seem out of place in the bottom three.

Burnley model doesn't work with Everton​

James Tarkowski and Sean Dyche together at Burnley

James Tarkowski and Sean Dyche together at Burnley
Worse than that, they don’t even seem very Dychian. The 1-0 wins towards the end of last season and a lack of goals is in line with his time at Burnley, where over seven years in the top flight they averaged 36.9 goals per season, but Everton’s defence is far too porous for the Burnley model to work.
Michael Keane and James Tarkowski seem too slow as a partnership - with both players lacking the security they used to get from Ben Mee beside them - while Dyche’s options are limited after Yerry Mina and Conor Coady left the club. Their goals against record is only getting worse with time, and there is frankly nowhere in the Dyche playbook that allows for this.
Everton heatmaps

He relies upon stolid 1-0 wins, as do Everton; they have won only one (the 5-1 at Brighton) of the last 25 league matches in which they have conceded.
But the larger and more notable absence of a Dyche influence is his consistent, and consistently ineffective, use of a 4-5-1 formation despite exclusively deploying a 4-4-2 at Burnley.
Two big strikers working in tandem to bring down the long balls or get on the end of crosses was, more than anything else, what defined Dyche as a Premier League manager: between 2017 and 2021, before their partnership was broken up, Chris Wood and Ashley Barnes scored 76 goals, or 48% of Burnley’s total.
Everton passing networks

Despite Everton’s goalscoring problems preceding his appointment Dyche hasn’t tried fielding two strikers together. Not once. Options have been limited, but even when Dominic Calvert-Lewin was unavailable Dyche would pick only one of Ellis Simms and Neal Maupay, leaving the other on the bench.
It would be wrong to suggest Everton’s goalscoring problems would be solved by throwing another striker onto the pitch, of course. Calvert-Lewin has scored seven goals in the last two years. Simms has only ever scored one Premier League goal. Maupay is without a goal in 29 matches and counting.
But what is important is that Dyche, never hired as a project manager but kept on regardless, has completely abandoned the one strategy that worked for him at Turf Moor (albeit with decreasing success: as they slid towards eventual relegation in 2021/22, Burnley scored just 34 and 33 league goals in their final two years).

Betting on Beto​

Beto Udinese

Everton's new striker Beto
Maybe that will change with the signing of powerful striker Beto, scorer of 10 Serie A goals for Udinese, who certainly has a profile more befitting of a Dyche forward than Maupay.
Perhaps Beto and Calvert-Lewin will form the strike partnership Everton so badly need, and perhaps new signings Jack Harrison and Arnaut Danjuma will provide the creativity and the crossing that is sorely needed for Burnley-esque football to emerge at Goodison Park.
Yet it feels more likely Everton are too mired, too downcast, to embrace the ugliness and the grind of Dyche’s football - and that’s assuming they will somehow start collecting clean sheets.
Beto

Indeed the beginning of the end for Dyche could come this weekend at Sheffield United, the other goalless and pointless Premier League side. Calvert-Lewin and Harrison remain sidelined. Everton have won just two of their last 22 Premier League away games.
Paul Heckingbottom’s 3-5-2 has a defensive stodginess that should shut down Everton’s one-dimensional attacking lines.
But there probably isn’t much need for analysis. Everton can’t score goals and they can’t defend. Unless something dramatic and unexpected changes, Dyche won’t be around for much longer.

Lots of contradictions here.

"Burnley model doesn't work with Everton" then lays out he's never played 442 here and doesn't have the strikers (yet) to even try.

He's also basing everything on last seasons results which is a skewed angle. The whole point was to survive relegation. We got results against the teams around us as well as 3 surprise results that kept us up (Arsenal, Chelsea, Brighton). The bottom line to take from last season is that we got the better manager in for that situation over Leicester, Southampton, and Leeds.
 
Lots of contradictions here.

"Burnley model doesn't work with Everton" then lays out he's never played 442 here and doesn't have the strikers (yet) to even try.

He's also basing everything on last seasons results which is a skewed angle. The whole point was to survive relegation. We got results against the teams around us as well as 3 surprise results that kept us up (Arsenal, Chelsea, Brighton). The bottom line to take from last season is that we got the better manager in for that situation over Leicester, Southampton, and Leeds.
And the idea that Everton were not relegation candidates 12 months ago is just wilful propaganda to serve an agenda. What, the same Everton that stayed up on the second-last day of the previous season having to come from two goals down to do so? Utter tripe.
 

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