Sam Allardyce

[MickA]

Thing is mate, we have been not taking risks with managers for ever, Martinez and Koeman and then Allardyce, all 'prem proven', all failed because ultimately one never understood the club or connected in Koeman, one is a stain on football and again doesn't understand or care about the club, the first in Martinez, did get us, ultimately he was let down by his own stubbornness.

Playing it safe guarantees nothing, look at West Bromwich, we aren't in a position to attract the proven best managers, so by its nature anyone will be seen as a risk.

Fonseca, could argue he failed in his biggest job at Porto, now dominating in a weak league with shakhtar, and doing well in cl, but is able to fully focus on the CL games due to the weak league etc, can he handle it at a more high media profile club, can he adjust to the league and adjust to not having the better players in each game in 95% of games?

Silva, vibrant positive young manager, or failed manager, the jury is out on him, is he Martinez mark 2?

Dyche, a twenty years younger big fat Sam, Burnley bubble well and truly burst like so many sides before who had one great season till Xmas and went down within the next two...

Howe, but he's a blue.... Ignoring the only time he left Bournemouth he was an utter disaster and as a near 40yo man got homesick... Martinez mark 2 again, but maybe more proof with that than with Silva.

So in short, anyone's a gamble, but some have clear glass ceilings in what the will ever achieve due to being limited, Artetas is a huge gamble, but he also has huge potential as well, I like it to going with young players over experienced ones, short term it's risky but long term it's the only chance unless you're city of doing anything...

I think there is too much weighting on experience as in number of games/years doing the job, teams coached, safe pair of hands etc. I'd like to see us appoint somebody who has experience of coaching players and developing them and their teams both collectively and individually.

500+ PL games as manager does nothing for me if all it offers is dull pragmatism and water treading. Doing research and going out to employ the best coaches you can who actually coach and have a progressive mindset is much more appealing to me and that's the route we now need to go along.

Maybe so mate, but more to gain also.

The way I look at this is really, thus league us so terrible outside 6 sides, that we will comfortably stay up despite the worst transfer spend waste in the games history, despite having three managers in one season, and despite not being able to do anything away from home.

You think in reality that someone cherry picked for his team by Guardiola and who has the most buzz about him by miles amongst young coaches here could actually be worse, I honestly don't.

Players who flop tend to be ones whose reputation as players got them over elevated, with Artetas career he's not getting statues built for him let's face it, his rep comes from those who taught or where on coaching courses with him, and from the managers who wanted him on there staff that badly.

This is a really good point too. Look at Swansea last year, Palace this, dare I say it Sunderland with Lardiola, all sides looking utterly doomed yet survived. As long as you have a core of quality you ahould be clear of relegation even if you have a disastrous spell. Arteta wouldn't be my first choice but if the proper due diligence is done and it seems he's ready for the task why not?

 

[Azza]

Read on TEF that Walsh had a big hand in doing the team against WH and Royle wasn't happy at all with his influence or him in general, one of the reasons why he left.

Probably passed down by Sam to his mate though.

 

[bluestevon]

Gattuso isn’t a first time manager.

Fair enough, just checked out his record, he'd managed two clubs for a total of 20 games in both spells combined in seria b, a season managing a Cypriot team and then two years managing piza in the third division.

Case being it hardly showed him ready for Milan did it?

 

[Nymzee]

Fair enough, just checked out his record, he'd managed two clubs for a total of 20 games in both spells combined in seria b, a season managing a Cypriot team and then two years managing piza in the third division.

Case being it hardly showed him ready for Milan did it?

No, of course not, but it’s games under the belt as an actual manager. Personally think he’ll flop there eventually anyway mind.

 

[bluestevon]

I think there is too much weighting on experience as in number of games/years doing the job, teams coached, safe pair of hands etc. I'd like to see us appoint somebody who has experience of coaching players and developing them and their teams both collectively and individually.

500+ PL games as manager does nothing for me if all it offers is dull pragmatism and water treading. Doing research and going out to employ the best coaches you can who actually coach and have a progressive mindset is much more appealing to me and that's the route we now need to go along.



This is a really good point too. Look at Swansea last year, Palace this, dare I say it Sunderland with Lardiola, all sides looking utterly doomed yet survived. As long as you have a core of quality you ahould be clear of relegation even if you have a disastrous spell. Arteta wouldn't be my first choice but if the proper due diligence is done and it seems he's ready for the task why not?

My thoughts are even the very best managers are never as good as they are/where in there first breakthrough job/club.

Example, think klopp was best he will ever be at Dortmund, mourinho was his best at Porto/Chelsea first stint, Kendall at us the first time, Guardiola at Barca, lvg at Ajax, even Moyes with us, think similar will be the case with pocch at spurs btw. Dalglish at the rs, Robson post England job. Etc etc etc

So going for a manager whose in a way over achieved something and hoping he can replicate isn't always a good idea.

Same with players imo, we shop from big clubs rejects or lower teams best, expecting them to be better than ever here, when in reality most have already peaked.

 

[Jonte]

It'd be one heck of a statement from Moshiri if he could bring Loew in, especially if Germany do well again

You'd have to think he'd be able to find us some hidden gems in the German league?

Without a doubt, Mikey, and no doubt some ‘hit the ground running’ types from further afield e.g. Turkey.

 

[Big Fat Sam]

I wouldn't want Loew, he's a filthy individual who sniffs his balls in public and scratches his arse then sniffs his fingers in plain view of hundreds of cameras. Give me gorgeous Fonseca any day of the week.

 

[Jonte]

Should be safe enough with a pair of these

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

I've said this many times, but Loew really ticks every box

If you surveyed Everton supporters over what they wanted from a manager, the most popular responses you'd likely get would be
Must play nice football (His German team are superb)
Must have won things (What's bigger than the World Cup?)
Must have an interest in promoting youth (Basically helped rebuild the entire German footballing infrastructure and gave caps to lots of new players)
Must show willingness to stick around for the long term (Been German coach for a long time and overseen a far reaching project)
Must be able to command respect from players and attract new ones (Who wouldn't want to play for a World Cup winner?)

I mean, he's pretty much the perfect choice, and I honestly think he'd take it if offered. He strikes me as a man who likes to have a project

But no, he picked his bum once so sod all that

 

[bluestevon]

I've said this many times, but Loew really ticks every box

If you surveyed Everton supporters over what they wanted from a manager, the most popular responses you'd likely get would be
Must play nice football (His German team are superb)
Must have won things (What's bigger than the World Cup?)
Must have an interest in promoting youth (Basically helped rebuild the entire German footballing infrastructure and gave caps to lots of new players)
Must show willingness to stick around for the long term (Been German coach for a long time and overseen a far reaching project)
Must be able to command respect from players and attract new ones (Who wouldn't want to play for a World Cup winner?)

I mean, he's pretty much the perfect choice, and I honestly think he'd take it if offered. He strikes me as a man who likes to have a project

But no, he picked his bum once so sod all that

Fast forward six months Mikey and with that list Martinez could tick every box too

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Fast forward six months Mikey and with that list Martinez could tick every box too

How?

He's never overseen a project all the way through and he isn't going to win the World Cup, most likely after a coach the calibre of Loew shows up his defensive frailties

He bailed on Swansea remember, as well as Wigan

He's never come close to Loew when it comes to defensive football either. Loew's Germany are brilliant in attack but they can be hard nosed when required also

 

[marcus]

Of course we sack him. Do you enjoy what he is serving up? If not, then there is your answer.

No I don't like his brand of football...but just hope we got a plan & a manager to take us through a 3/5 year plan...

 

[marcus]

yes, of course we do

football above all is entertainment for fans, does any match goer here enjoy the match under this fat heap of sh1t?

because I know I dont

Our home form has been ok to be fair, but our away form has been dismal...
We must have a long term plan & a manager to take us onwards before we sack Allardyce...

 

[bcblue1878]

Thing is mate, we have been not taking risks with managers for ever, Martinez and Koeman and then Allardyce, all 'prem proven', all failed because ultimately one never understood the club or connected in Koeman, one is a stain on football and again doesn't understand or care about the club, the first in Martinez, did get us, ultimately he was let down by his own stubbornness.

Playing it safe guarantees nothing, look at West Bromwich, we aren't in a position to attract the proven best managers, so by its nature anyone will be seen as a risk.

Fonseca, could argue he failed in his biggest job at Porto, now dominating in a weak league with shakhtar, and doing well in cl, but is able to fully focus on the CL games due to the weak league etc, can he handle it at a more high media profile club, can he adjust to the league and adjust to not having the better players in each game in 95% of games?

Silva, vibrant positive young manager, or failed manager, the jury is out on him, is he Martinez mark 2?

Dyche, a twenty years younger big fat Sam, Burnley bubble well and truly burst like so many sides before who had one great season till Xmas and went down within the next two...

Howe, but he's a blue.... Ignoring the only time he left Bournemouth he was an utter disaster and as a near 40yo man got homesick... Martinez mark 2 again, but maybe more proof with that than with Silva.

So in short, anyone's a gamble, but some have clear glass ceilings in what the will ever achieve due to being limited, Artetas is a huge gamble, but he also has huge potential as well, I like it to going with young players over experienced ones, short term it's risky but long term it's the only chance unless you're city of doing anything...

Agreed, there are only a handful of managers in the world who come with any sort of non-risk status. At this stage in Everton's "development" they almost certainly aren't to sign up (yet) for the Everton project as some call it!

Therefore we have to be looking in that next tier down, and I'd like to think that process started a while ago, but that ultimately means that any appointment comes with an element of risk.

My sincere hope is that the homework and "risk assessment" has been and is already being done properly. Whoever has the honour of getting the job must be given every opportunity to explain to the fan base their realistic expectations and vision for the next few years, then that person is given time and backing by both the board and the fans!

As I've said before the current incumbent needs to be gone at the latest five minutes after the end of the West Ham game if not before!

 

[evertonarntwe]

Our home form has been ok to be fair, but our away form has been dismal...
We must have a long term plan & a manager to take us onwards before we sack Allardyce...

I include the home games in what I say, even the homes game have been boring and horrible