Ross Barkley

[Nil Satis Niasse Optimum]

So what you're saying is from the ages of 19-22 he hasn't been excellent in every game he's played in?

I don't think he's saying that mate, to be honest.

 

[witchdoc187]

The stick Barkley gets from Evertonians most of the time is a disgrace although at Sunderland he deserved it. But on the other hand he also needs to sort himself out, and quickly, because I get the feeling this manager won't tolerate him past this season if he doesn't get his act together and stick to the basics whilst he regains some form.

There are plenty of other Everton players who seem to get let off the hook though. Mirallas is a perfect example. Anonymous in 6 or 7 games out of 10.

Deulofeu, Coleman, Lukaku (when he's not scoring), Mirallas and Valencia in his short time here all need to have a word with themselves. Some shocking performances from them recently along with Barkley.

Makes me laugh how players like Cleverley get slaughtered as well. Obviously a limited player but at least he gives 100% every game regardless of how well he is playing. The attitude from certain players is pathetic.

I wonder if people think he gives the ball away on purpose. Like when people were moaning lukaku wanted to leave so was deliberately trying not to score. haha.

 

[TheCount]

I don't think he's saying that mate, to be honest.

But that's what he said mate.

 

[Nil Satis Niasse Optimum]

But that's what he said mate.

He said he's been poor or mediocre more than he's been good. Which is the truth, and is also very concerning.

You essentially said he expected a player, between the ages of 19-22, to be outstanding in every game he plays in, which is far off what he claimed.

I think, for a young player who supposedly has such a bright future ahead of him, it's not strange to think he should be impressing more than disappointing. Right?

He could be forgiven for being very good one week then average the next, to a degree. But that's not how it is. For Ross it's more like exceptional in 1 game out of 10, awful in 6 of the games, and average in the remaining 3, and that's an extremely disappointing sign for the future.

 

[Shibbywiggles]

I'll say one thing for him this season his set piece delivery has improved considerably

I think this just highlights the bigger picture here. Ross is a really hardworking lad and because we've actually started working on set pieces he's suddenly become good at putting the ball in to a dangerous area, like his ball into Lukaku early on Saturday. The longer he works with Koeman and the new coaching staff the better he will become. He's not had a good start to the season by any means but I still think he'll come good.

 

[TheCount]

He said he's been poor or mediocre more than he's been good. Which is the truth, and is also very concerning.

You essentially said he expected a player, between the ages of 19-22, to be outstanding in every game he plays in, which is far off what he claimed.

I think, for a young player who supposedly has such a bright future ahead of him, it's not strange to think he should be impressing more than disappointing. Right?

He could be forgiven for being very good one week then average the next, to a degree. But that's not how it is. For Ross it's more like exceptional in 1 game out of 10, awful in 6 of the games, and average in the remaining 3, and that's an extremely disappointing sign for the future.

So he's sometimes very good. And when he's not, he's mediocre /average or poor?

Would you say he's average most of the time? With some excellent performance and some garbage ones?

How do you define average mate?

Average for Ross? Average for Lampard in his prime in a title winning team? Or average for someone like Jonjo Shelvey?

 

[ArtetaMoney]

 

[Lowste]

Released in the 87th minute, got sent off more or less on purpose.

I put it down to being over enthusiastic

 

[Nil Satis Niasse Optimum]

So he's sometimes very good. And when he's not, he's mediocre /average or poor?

Would you say he's average most of the time? With some excellent performance and some garbage ones?

How do you define average mate?

Average for Ross? Average for Lampard in his prime in a title winning team? Or average for someone like Jonjo Shelvey?

Well, he blows hot and cold, which is why people are saying when he's good he's great, and when he's bad he's bloody terrible. And also why our friend above said he is more often terrible than great.

I define average as having minimal impact on the game. Below average as being a liability to his own team mates, which he has been in most games this season, and above average as doing something positive to help the team secure a victory.

His 'form', if we're still calling it that, for the past 2 years has been around average for a player of his age. But when people talk about Ross, they aren't talking about him as just any 22 year old, they're talking about him as an England international, potential future Everton captain and player of a generation, yet his performances in no way reflect that.

I can still remember his goal against Newcastle and his 25 yarder against City - he looks a shadow of the player he was 2 years ago. The highlight of his 6 appearances for us so far this season? An in-swinging free kick that the opposition goalkeeper made a terrible mistake on and the ball somehow ended up in the net.

 

[MikeH72]

So he's sometimes very good. And when he's not, he's mediocre /average or poor?

Would you say he's average most of the time? With some excellent performance and some garbage ones?

How do you define average mate?

Average for Ross? Average for Lampard in his prime in a title winning team? Or average for someone like Jonjo Shelvey?

I think he's saying Barkley has more crap games than good games over the course of the season, which is absolutely true whether the super blues like it or not.

 

[HongKongToffee]

He looks mentally gone with that trying to hard and nothing coming off,even simple passes are becoming difficult for him as we say in the Sunderland game frequently,maybe a few games out of the squad to do him so good.

There is a good player in him but he seems mentally drained right now and it's affecting his game,Hodgson has to take some blame,never used him in the Euros and Ross could have done with a full summer off if he wasn't in his plans.

 

[Brendan Janus]

I'll say one thing for him this season his set piece delivery has improved considerably

Yeh they reach the box !!

 

[TheCount]

I think he's saying Barkley has more crap games than good games over the course of the season, which is absolutely true whether the super blues like it or not.

I don't think that's what he said, even if that is what he's saying.

Would you say that that is true of every single player in the squad over the last two season?

Possibly with the exception of Barry and Phil Jags.

Who do you think has been mostly good for Everton in recent history?

 

[Lowste]

I think he's saying Barkley has more crap games than good games over the course of the season, which is absolutely true whether the super blues like it or not.

Unfair on Ross
The problem he has is that certain Blues expect a minimum 8/10 performance from him, if he dips below that het is deemed to have 4/10 game...
There is no middle ground for the fella
Once again with certain Blues they expect excellence, anything less is not acceptable.

 

[Nil Satis Niasse Optimum]

No.

The point here is he is AWFUL more than he is either average or above average.

I'd say most of our players, Barry/Gueye/Lukaku aside, are average more than they are either below/above average.

Ross can have one great game, followed by 5 pathetic ones, and it could go on for the entire season and he'd still have people defending him on here.

If we picked any 10 random games from this/last season, I am certain there would be fewer than 3 games where he really stood out as being one of the best players on the pitch. When he's not performing he's dragging himself around the pitch looking half arsed, dithering, passing when he should be shooting, getting the ball nicked off him, etc. The last three of those, incidentally, alude to the fact that he's simply not intelligent enough on the football field.