Ronald Koeman discussion

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Roberto Martinez believes that there is no better technical English player than Tom Cleverley, as Everton’s manager challenged the former Manchester United player to score the 10 goals a season that can make him “one of the most sensational players in Premier League history".

Ronald Koeman admits 'some Everton players know they have no future at the club'

Not an Everton manager some people say, im sorry, but as an Everton fan I want my manager to tell me the truth.
 

toffeeblue9 said:
History lesson required here

Please do some research on how the greatest manager in our history treated players once he had decided he didn't want them anymore
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Well HK went to Gray's house and told him he was moving to villa, and he had been a key component in us winning the league. You can't be more ruthless than that.
 
davek said:
Where is the benefit of doing that?

I can think of only one effect a policy of downgrading your own players in public: they dont put it in for you in a match.

He;s had this approach elsewhere and it merely pisses good players off. As said, it's a numbnuts, egotistical, playing to the gallery approach that lacks anything remotely like class.
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I see where you're coming from, but if we have players whose ego's are so fragile that they'll down tools as suggested at a bit of criticism (and they don't have bags of quality that we can't afford to lose), they're not the characters we need. That type of character is in part to blame for our bottling, weak-willed capitulations in recent years.

You can maybe massage the ego of truly world class players, to keep them onside, but that's not the position we're in.
 
I'm liking Koeman more and more as his first year in charge goes on. Really tells it like it is and I think that is exactly what is necessary. Keeps the players on edge to perform to high standards. If they can't handle this kind of pressure, then we know they won't be able to handle the pressure of playing in a cup final, for a champions league place, or even a title.
 
rochdaleblue said:
Well HK went to Gray's house and told him he was moving to villa, and he had been a key component in us winning the league. You can't be more ruthless than that.
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He wasn't always as nice about it

Plenty of ex-player autobiographies I've read where they've said once Howard had made his mind up he didn't want them anymore, he'd basically freeze them out as if they didn't exist - nobody took it personally because he was concentrating on the ones who he wanted to work with. You can imagine what Dave would say if he found out Koeman was doing that!
 

MoutsGoat said:
Roberto Martinez believes that there is no better technical English player than Tom Cleverley, as Everton’s manager challenged the former Manchester United player to score the 10 goals a season that can make him “one of the most sensational players in Premier League history".

Ronald Koeman admits 'some Everton players know they have no future at the club'

Not an Everton manager some people say, im sorry, but as an Everton fan I want my manager to tell me the truth.
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Scary that he was our manager. Terrifying that he'd still be here if Moshiri hadn't descended upon us.
 
He's trying very quickly to figure out who wants to be there and who does not. Who can hack it and who cannot. This is going to be a high performing club. This is going to be the same way regardless of expensive or not. Young players the same. Either they buy in or not. That doesn't cost any more or less than other leadership styles. It's about being clear with expectations, being clear as to the ramifications if you don't meet them as a player, and getting players that can meet them.
 
Amw79 said:
I see where you're coming from, but if we have players whose ego's are so fragile that they'll down tools as suggested at a bit of criticism (and they don't have bags of quality that we can't afford to lose), they're not the characters we need. That type of character is in part to blame for our bottling, weak-willed capitulations in recent years.

You can maybe massage the ego of truly world class players, to keep them onside, but that's not the position we're in.
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I'm not suggesting we molly coddle them or retain them forever. I'm saying it;s bad strategy to get them from being onside when he arrived to a position where they can easily seize on his words and not put it in for the remainder of their time here.

It's just rank bad management and only something someone with poor emotional intelligence would do.
 
MoutsGoat said:
Roberto Martinez believes that there is no better technical English player than Tom Cleverley, as Everton’s manager challenged the former Manchester United player to score the 10 goals a season that can make him “one of the most sensational players in Premier League history".

Ronald Koeman admits 'some Everton players know they have no future at the club'

Not an Everton manager some people say, im sorry, but as an Everton fan I want my manager to tell me the truth.
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Obviously he is lying. Or is he really deluded?
 

What I like about Koeman is that he very clearly demands high standards from his players and if they don't attain those high standards, his attitude is that they are not good enough

It's a very different mindset to the one we've been used to. It's a winning mentality.

That said, it will rub some players up the wrong way, undoubtedly and he won't bond with some players like El Loco seemed to do

His attitude I have zero problems with, I do expect him to start producing a brand of football which is a little more pleasing on the eye than what we saw in Nov/Dec though if we're handing him all this money to sign player with. I also expect us to be much closer to the top 6 (or in it) this time next season
 
davek said:
I'm not suggesting we molly coddle them or retain them forever. I'm saying it;s bad strategy to get them from being onside when he arrived to a position where they can easily seize on his words and not put it in for the remainder of their time here.

It's just rank bad management and only something someone with poor emotional intelligence would do.
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But then again, we have no idea what's going on behind closed doors. He could have players slacking off in training, not following instructions, not getting on board with what he wants. He could have had words with players already and not got a response. In which case, no loss in calling it out publicly.

Players who may move on, are gonna end up at smaller clubs on less wages. So if they choose to slack off and not put it in, they're only shooting themselves in the foot.

Again, that type of character is not what we want or need, and I reckon Koeman recognises that we'll be shut of those players this window or next.
 
Ronnies comments seem to support the general consensus that Mosh is gonna back EFC with serious transfer funds.

That message today was like nothing I've heard at Everton in the past 30 years.

Thanks for your efforts but this club is now operating in a different league.
 

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