Ronald Koeman discussion

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Dirty Dutch said:
West ham did well because of payet who made the difference Liverpool ended 8th in the league last year now thats an achievement! And southampton did well in the first year when Koeman was there so what are you trying to say?? You have to look at the players. If he finishes 7th with this squad he's done a great job.
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Klopp also got to two cup finals.

The majority of that side that is going for the title now are Brendan Rodgers players.

And I think what he's trying to say, is generally when a new manager comes in there's a breath of fresh air.

We had that for about two months.

Right now, it seems Koeman has assessed his squad and gave up on them bar the ones he's signed and Rom.
 

kenada_blue said:
Klopp also got to two cup finals.

The majority of that side that is going for the title now are Brendan Rodgers players.

And I think what he's trying to say, is generally when a new manager comes in there's a breath of fresh air.

We had that for about two months.

Right now, it seems Koeman has assessed his squad and gave up on them bar the ones he's signed and Rom.
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Klopp got two finals??
 

Dirty Dutch said:
I think 7th is the maximum with this squad, the 6 topteams are much better in every position, that pretty clear.

he's doing an average job when we're finishing 9th. Every place below 10th is failure.
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So not one single player would get in a top six team? Bollox

What is true is though is 7th is the maximum with this manager (this isn't a major criticism of Koeman btw as there has never been this many world class managers in English football).
 
moyes cardy said:
Why do we still go on about finishing 5th 2 years ago what did we win? it means nothing and this team peaked at that point, we need solid foundations not a one night stand.
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What people forget is that the condition of teams in the league are as important as us when it comes to final position. That season we finished 5th (2013/14) was when the table was much more polar.
8 teams had 40 points or less, funnily enough if you go back to 07/08 when we previously finished 5th, there were 7 teams with 40 or less.
3 teams had more than 80 for the first time since 08/09, and even in that season the number of teams with 40 or less was only five.

There were a lot more points to go around in Martinez' first season. Not just points should be considered either because Moyes' united flopped hard at the start and Spurs sold Bale and replaced him with dross. Those two teams have since regained their strength and left us lagging behind again. Whether we want to blame Kenwright and Co for lack of investment or Martinez for failing to form a defence doesn't really matter, the fact is we failed to take that opportunity to solidify us as a top 6 contender. Would we have reached 5th if Moyes didn't flop or Spurs kept Bale? I highly doubt it. We played well, but not well enough. Since then differences in quality have closed somewhat and the spread of points become much thinner for the rest of the table yet the top 6 are typically stronger than the rest.

You're precisely right about needing foundations, because as Leicester proves -- a one-season wonder isn't enough to keep you up there for the next season. It takes time and commitment.
 

artetas_biggest_fan said:
So not one single player would get in a top six team? Bollox

What is true is though is 7th is the maximum with this manager (this isn't a major criticism of Koeman btw as there has never been this many world class managers in English football).
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Do you really think someone like Lukaku is better than sanchez, aguero, costa, zlatan??? Only Gana has a chance.

And someone like Mourinho is currently 6th and he spend 100 mill at 1 player!! So why would he do it better than Koeman???
 
I was a bit worried a few weeks ago, but after the Leicester and Southampton wins I'm fairly certain that he's going to pick up points often enough to secure a reasonable league finish.

If things haven't noticeably improved by the end of the next season, then I think there'll be a parting of ways. For me much depends on whether or not he manages to get a few more natural footballers into the side. The amount of heavy touches and sloppy passes on display most weeks is disturbing.
 

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