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Return of the 1-4-5 formation

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Bruce Wayne

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That was the formation I used to adopt in the very first Championship Manager game, with the famous Nii Lamptey my standout player.

Anyway, it was interesting to see Barca play over the weekend with just one recognised defender. Nominally speaking Eric Abidal had Busquets and Mascherano alongside him at the back of a 3-4-3 formation.

Interesting formation though, as discussed here http://www.zonalmarking.net/2011/08/29/barcelona-5-0-villarreal-tactics/
 

Guardiola is a genius in terms of coming up with new tactical innovations to fit his team and his opponents.

I've long thought that, though to be fair it helps to have the players he does at his command. They could probably play 10-0-0 and still win 5-0.
 
Also Zonal Marking is fascinating reading for those interested in the development of the game. They did a piece about the evolving role of the CM that was wonderful.

And here's another article about Barcelona this season.

The arrival of Cesc Fabregas has prompted various questions about where he’ll fit into the side. The real answer to that question is rotation – with Andres Iniesta a little injury-prone, Fabregas only averaging around 60% of league minutes over the past three seasons and Xavi Hernandez needing an increasing amount of rest these days, it’s not as big an issue as some have suggested.

Nevertheless, it is interesting that Pep Guardiola has tried to strengthen his side in midfield (and further forward, with the arrival of Alexis Sanchez). It’s hardly as if Barcelona need improvement in those zones – epitomised by the fact that when they won the European Cup final last season with a 3-1 win over Manchester United, their three forwards all scored a goal, and their three midfielders all recorded assists.

What Guardiola really needed was a centre-back. At a crucial stage last season he had a severe shortage in that position, meaning Sergio Busquets and Javier Mascherano had to deputise. Eric Abidal’s return from illness gives Guardiola another option there, but with Carles Puyol and Gerard Pique both out for a couple of weeks, Abidal is the only established fit centre-back at the club. Gabriel Milito has left the club, although with his lack of pace, he was completely unsuited to Barca’s high line. 21-year-old Andreu Fontas has been promoted to the first team, although at this point there’s nothing to suggest that Guardiola sees Fontas as anything like a regular this season.

So, whilst Busquets and Mascherano may have ‘filled in’ at centre-back last season, this campaign they might do so on a more regular basis. Pique, Puyol and Abidal will still be the first three choices, but Guardiola’s decision to prioritise spending €50m+ on a winger and another central midfielder suggests that he’s more than happy to play holding midfielders at the back.

In many ways, it makes perfect sense. Barcelona have the ball for the majority of every game they play, and therefore passing skills become more vital for the centre-backs. Guardiola wants good ball circulation from his side, and having two midfielders at the back will simply increase his side’s ability to pass effectively.

With the side playing so high up the pitch, Barcelona’s centre-backs will probably be playing in a similar zone of the pitch to holding midfielders in post sides, as mentioned with Bruno Soriano of Villarreal in midweek. Marcelo Bielsa, a good friend of Guardiola and another who favours a high defensive line, happily played central midfielders at the back with Chile – with Gary Medel and Arturo Vidal featuring there. He looks to be doing the same thing now at Athletic Bilbao with Javi Martinez and Carlos Gurpegi.

It’s along the same lines as something ZM has mentioned on many occasions – particularly the idea of a ‘modern centre-half’ who would start in midfield but drop into the backline as play develops. Busquets has done that many times before, of course, and did it on a permanent basis at Atletico last season.

It points to the gradual homogenisation of the centre-back and holding midfield roles, and a further development might be to play three players – two centre-backs and a holder – who can all play in each of the three positions. A trio of Mascherano, Busquets and Pique would be able to do that – Pique has the ability to play as a holding midfielder.

In this match, in addition to three central midfielders, Guardiola used Andres Iniesta on the left for the final minutes – nothing unusual about that, since he’s played that position quite often. He was the sixth nominal central midfielder in Barca’s system 4-3-3.

Can it go any further? Quite possibly. Messi, after all, is playing deeper and deeper – having gone from a high right-winger, to a central forward, to a false nine, and arguably now to a number ten in some games. Interestingly, in pre-season Guardiola tried both Fabregas and Thiago Alcantara in the Messi role, suggesting that a midfielder could sometimes play that role, too.

For Guardiola, he is taking his ideology a step further. His impact upon football has been significant in his short time in charge of Barca – having been forced into early retirement as a player because clubs didn’t want passing midfielders, as a manager he set about trying to build a midfield comprised entirely of passers.

The next step is to try and get as many passing midfielders into the side as possible
 

ZM just posted this. It's that easy

I still think Guardiola doesn't get all the credit he deserves

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I still think Guardiola doesn't get all the credit he deserves.

Agreed. I hear a lot that he's only a great if he reproduces his success elsewhere, as if doing what he's done once isn't achievement enough.

Too many people want him to prove it against Stoke on a wet tuesday night before they give him credit for being one of the finest managers of our generation, which he blatantly is. Frankly, I think he'll have to come to England to win over the doubters.

Get him in, Kenwright!
 
Agreed. I hear a lot that he's only a great if he reproduces his success elsewhere, as if doing what he's done once isn't achievement enough.

Too many people want him to prove it against Stoke on a wet tuesday night before they give him credit for being one of the finest managers of our generation, which he blatantly is. Frankly, I think he'll have to come to England to win over the doubters.

Get him in, Kenwright!

Ha, imagine that. Yes, he's done well to have the players there available to him and they were hardly a bad team when he took over, but he's made them what they are now

Where do you reckon he would go after Barca? Only from what I hear or read, people seem to think he may get a bit bored within the next season or so. Do you think he will? I could understand that, but I just can't imagine him anywhere else...other than Man Utd for some reason. Of course, Man City will probably pay him 100m a year or something to take over....
 

Great thread here Bruce - I was mulling this over while watching the game, and what also struck me was the contrast between Barca, playing midfielders in defence, and teams like Real Madrid and Villareal who frequently play defenders in midfield (Pepe and Marchena respectively). Some teams seem to have concluded the only way to stop Barca may be using "anti-football" tactics - physical, negative, cynical. Clearly it's much more entertaining watching the likes of Barca, but is it just a matter of time before other teams figure out how to stifle them? We certainly hope not - but it's happened before.
 
Ha, imagine that. Yes, he's done well to have the players there available to him and they were hardly a bad team when he took over, but he's made them what they are now

Where do you reckon he would go after Barca? Only from what I hear or read, people seem to think he may get a bit bored within the next season or so. Do you think he will? I could understand that, but I just can't imagine him anywhere else...other than Man Utd for some reason. Of course, Man City will probably pay him 100m a year or something to take over....

I dunno, Sid Lowe and the like who know spanish football reckon there's no chance he'll be there longer than a couple more years and I trust that they're the experts.

I guess the obvious destinations if you leave Barca are Italy and England so smart money would be on a big "sleeping giant" going through a lean spell like Juventus or maybe Arsenal in two years time who will get out their wallet and nab him but it wouldn't surprise me if he does something unexpected like take over a provincial spanish team or go to south america or retire from football altogether.

He'll be a success wherever he goes if you ask me, like you say massively underrated as both a tactition and a coach.
 
Hate Barca, hate diving, hate the way them and Real are propped up financially, and fully expect a Berlusconi type ref deal is bubbling away behind the scenes.
 
I dunno, Sid Lowe and the like who know spanish football reckon there's no chance he'll be there longer than a couple more years and I trust that they're the experts.

I guess the obvious destinations if you leave Barca are Italy and England so smart money would be on a big "sleeping giant" going through a lean spell like Juventus or maybe Arsenal in two years time who will get out their wallet and nab him but it wouldn't surprise me if he does something unexpected like take over a provincial spanish team or go to south america or retire from football altogether.

He'll be a success wherever he goes if you ask me, like you say massively underrated as both a tactition and a coach.
Guardiola's said that this will be his last season at Barça. We'll see.
 
I dunno, Sid Lowe and the like who know spanish football reckon there's no chance he'll be there longer than a couple more years and I trust that they're the experts.

I guess the obvious destinations if you leave Barca are Italy and England so smart money would be on a big "sleeping giant" going through a lean spell like Juventus or maybe Arsenal in two years time who will get out their wallet and nab him but it wouldn't surprise me if he does something unexpected like take over a provincial spanish team or go to south america or retire from football altogether.

He'll be a success wherever he goes if you ask me, like you say massively underrated as both a tactition and a coach.
He will take a break and come back as a new Barcelona president when Rosell tenure will be over. He even got chans of "Presidente, presidente" from the crowd when he was voting during last election.
 

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