Rebuilding

[Eggsyblueskin]

...its going to be fun when Koeman jogs off after two seasons with 8th and 9th place finishes and comes in below 72 points Bobby on the Evertons Greatest Managers list...

Certainly,behind...... Catterick, Kendall, Royle, McIntosh, Molyneux, Cuff, Harvey, Lee and Bingham.

 

[MikeH72]

...its going to be fun when Koeman jogs off after two seasons with 8th and 9th place finishes and comes in below 72 points Bobby on the Evertons Greatest Managers list...

At least he won't have a sacking on his Ev CV.

 

[bicycleheader]

At least he won't have a sacking on his Ev CV.

You can jog after being sacked. Anyway, I'll take that as acknowledgment that yes, that scenario is not entirely impossible.

 

[MikeH72]

You can jog after being sacked. Anyway, I'll take that as acknowledgment that yes, that scenario is not entirely impossible.

Of course, at this early stage ANYTHING is theoretically possible. If he is indeed sacked eventually then we'll all acknowledge him as a failure to go alongside Sir Bob.

 

[bicycleheader]

Of course, at this early stage ANYTHING is theoretically possible. If he is indeed sacked eventually then we'll all acknowledge him as a failure to go alongside Sir Bob.

I dont think Bobby was as bad as some make out, but you are going a bit far in suggesting a knighthood for him Michael.

 

[evertony]

I posted that Walsh is responsible for player recruitment and Koeman is responsible for the first team.

Ergo, alot depends on whether Walsh and Koeman have the same vision and strategy on the playing side as this will reflect who will be targeted.

The thing is, what does Walsh envisage for the future? As with Abramovich at Chelsea, has Moshiri discussed how he wants us to play -- this will also affect marketing and branding.

Koeman was brought in prior to Walsh (who some say was 2nd/3rd choice) does this mean that Koeman has more authority than Walsh or will Walsh have the same influence as Monchi, Reed and that chap at Chelsea?

Will the signings be influenced by Koeman wanting to perhaps make a short term impact or will they be more of a longer term strategy...or a mixture?

Has Moshiri appointed Koeman due to his experience of working in england with a DOF and being an iconic former player or has he been brought in as Moshiri thinks he can build a revolutionary style encapsulating the Guardiola level of innovation?

What is Walsh's remit and how does this synergise with Koemans style of perceived progression?

Lots of questions....but one obvious one missing.

Did Zat eat a Thesarus for breakfast.....or did someone else choose his breakfast for him and Zat focussed on eating it?

 

[evertony]

20+ years of under-investment on and off the pitch, while the whole upper end of the industry has been investing, will not be solved in 1, 2 or even 5 summers. That's the only reality check we need but hopefully we'll get some happy times During the rebuild process.

Spot on Lee.....how you keeping?

 

[vagant59]

im not sure thats true at all.

Koeman has worked with DOFs all his career so that ticks a box as he has shown he is suitable for working under Walsh (in theory).

He has vast experience as a winner as a player but has not the reputation of a serial trophy winner in a major league as a manager.

He does however have success in managing a first team under a DOF at southampton which has overperformed having been thoroughly gutted.

I wonder if Moshiri sees Walsh as installing the long term vision and changing most of the team through bringing in low cost additions as he did at Leicester and as weve seen with the Gana signing with Koeman doing what he did at southampton and overperforming.

Will these players be more in line with a koeman short term stay or the beginning of a new style/strategy envisioned by Walsh/Moshiri?

Koeman decides how we play football on any given occasion. Walsh gets the type of players koeman requires, however koeman will have the final say. The long term vision is success

 

[vagant59]

I personally think that Zat and Dave are the "chuckle brothers", To my knowledge they new very little about football either

 

[evo1878]

Spot on Lee.....how you keeping?

Good mate. Back home from California tonight for a couple of weeks if you want to meet for a pint one evening?

 

[Zatara]

I personally think that Zat and Dave are the "chuckle brothers", To my knowledge they new very little about football either

...and yet your previous post strongly suggests otherwise, unless that is supporting this following statement in the sense that your own knowledge is minute.

Either way you have failed to contribute anything which I suppose is indeed down to your limited knowledge.

 

[mixed_up]

The title of this thread is rebuilding and it is a good title. Because if we are to rebuild we're going to have to ruthlessly replace some players who are established. How else can we become top 4 and improve unless we do this? Walsh and Koeman have to find *almost* world-class athletes and footballers to improve us. Koeman has to keep improving the players in the meantime and get the best out of them. I think we will have an up and down season and I hope injuries don't ruin us. I hope Koeman rotates the squad a little too, I don't like the thought of Funes Mori leaving for example. Things like that would do more harm than good so Koeman has to get the balance right. I don't agree that the DOF is more important than the coach/manager either. They have to work together and I would wager Walsh's wage is nothing like the one Koeman is on.

 

[Jags..class]

We have to remember some of these players stopped playing for Martinez. Remember the Derby and Sunderland

We have a few players who need to leave

 

[Papa Shango]

We have to remember some of these players stopped playing for Martinez. Remember the Derby and Sunderland

We have a few players who need to leave

Too right we do. Players who stopped playing yet have won bugger all in their careers.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

I have never bought into the idea that players deliberately stopping playing for the spaniard. In my opinion they became disheartened and ultimately lost belief in what was an unusual system of play. It's worth remembering it was a deliberately naive system which overly weighted attack over defence, and had struggled for 2 seasons. In the end it was a failure of management to convince and motivate the players that it could work, if of course it ever really can.