Rebuilding

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davek said:
I dont buy or trust this nonsense of "I dont have much input into signing players". It's an avoidance of responsibility. If any player is signed during a particular manager's time here they were either fully or mostly responsible for it. And if they claim anything less than that they're telling a mighty big fib.
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Unless of course it is Martinez buying Niasse
 

20+ years of under-investment on and off the pitch, while the whole upper end of the industry has been investing, will not be solved in 1, 2 or even 5 summers. That's the only reality check we need but hopefully we'll get some happy times During the rebuild process.
 
RaleighBlue said:
Disagree. That's the old method, and Everton seem to be trying to get with the times. More likely, the manager tells the scouts what type of player they want. The scouts go and get a few names. Koeman gives his input. Final decision is DoF. Why? Because Koeman is transient. Managers only last a few years. It's up to the DoF to ensure we don't overpay for 1 season wonders, don't go too far down the road of being reliant on the manager, and that everything fits the Everton culture rather than the Koeman culture.

If we let the manager have final say, then he jogs off - successful or unsuccessful - you have to rebuild to a new manager. If you keep the decision in the hands of a longer-term role, then managers leaving can be much more easily overcome - like Soton as a prime example.

Putting so much responsibility on one dude is a silly, old fashioned idea that makes managers supermen rather than works within the confines of reality - some people are better at coaching, some people are better at signings, and some people are better at scouting. Hire all three rather than one to do all their jobs.
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Thats the hope really, otherwise we would only be signing players at their peak and after he leaves we would be stuck with an ageing squad.
 
evo1878 said:
20+ years of under-investment on and off the pitch, while the whole upper end of the industry has been investing, will not be solved in 1, 2 or even 5 summers. That's the only reality check we need but hopefully we'll get some happy times During the rebuild process.
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It shouldnt take that long, usually id be all for a 5 year plan but Koeman never staya anywhere longer than 2.
 
Zatara said:
It shouldnt take that long, usually id be all for a 5 year plan but Koeman never staya anywhere longer than 2.
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Zat.....you have identified my unease with Koeman.

The fact that I don't feel, and have never felt from the moment he was lured away from Saints by a salivating owner with an open cheque book, that he is here for the long haul. Or even the medium haul.

Rightly or wrongly, I have never felt he is going to stay the whole three years.

And that his safety first approach to the football on the pitch is more to do with him making sure he doesn't harm his own reputation and with it the prospects of a move to a "higher level" than owt else.

One would have thought it would have been relatively easy to move our malfunctioning squad from last season a few rungs up the ladder, maybe even into seventh place and a European spot so long as both domestic cups are won by teams finishing in the top six.

:)
 

Khalekan said:
Zat.....you have identified my unease with Koeman.

The fact that I don't feel, and have never felt from the moment he was lured away from Saints by a salivating owner with an open cheque book, that he is here for the long haul. Or even the medium haul.

Rightly or wrongly, I have never felt he is going to stay the whole three years.

And that his safety first approach to the football on the pitch is more to do with him making sure he doesn't harm his own reputation and with it the prospects of a move to a "higher level" than owt else.

One would have thought it would have been relatively easy to move our malfunctioning squad from last season a few rungs up the ladder, maybe even into seventh place and a European spot so long as both domestic cups are won by teams finishing in the top six.

:)
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I could understand the logic in bringing in a manager in the short term to "steady the ship" while Moshiri and Walsh make changes. However that manager should also be laying the foundations which he doesnt appear to be doing in terms of playing style, developing players and introducing anything for the future.
 
davek said:
My position didn't rule out Martinez having the final nod. My point was that the impetus would have come from elsewhere. It would still be his responsibility though.
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But why would it have come from elsewhere? Who else at the club at the time would have been so desperate to sign a Senegalese bin man that can't kick a football?
 


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