Rebuilding

[Goat]

And yet Les Reed is quoted in the press as saying this. In other instances hes names players like Pelle as being someone Koeman has worked with before and recommended and it happens that Southampton have already been profiling him and Koemans is the final approval.

Les Reed is a lying mutant.

 

[Zatara]

The manager tells the scouts what type of player they want and then the scout gives them a few names and the manager picks 1.

Thats the way I SUSPECT it will happen and how it happened in the Summer.

It went like this, Koeman got Stickleback in early cos he trusts him and we needed a Keeper, the scouts were then told we needed another Keeper, Hart was looked at but jogged on cos hes a bellend, we probably made moves for other Keepers, (Begovic), but the price was either to much or the selling clubs jogged us on.

Walsh was hired and was probably told on his first day that Stones was going to be sold.

Koeman told Walsh he wanted 2 CBs, 1 CM, 1 ACM 1 ST and 1 Winger, plus some cover at RB, he was told not to buy players under the age of 25, cos they smell of failure.

Walsh then probably came to Ronny with the boy Gana, Ronny said pick him up cos he looks decent.

Williams and Bolasie were then signed, then we spent a few weeks acting like utter clowns until we had to panic loan 1 of the worst "strikers" in the league.

People dropped the ball all over the place and now im sure everybody is planning for a semi successful January window, if we are in touch in January we will spunk some money, if its looking grim we will save our money and gut the whole squad in the Summer.

Do you think Bolasie and Williams were Walsh recomendations or Koeman demands?

 

[Zatara]

Les Reed is a lying mutant.

It does fit into what Pochettino, Koeman and Puel have stated about their input there in transfers + Southampton signed players last summer before appointing a manager.

 

[Goat]

Do you think Bolasie and Williams were Walsh recomendations or Koeman demands?

I think Koeman said I want a proven premier league CB and a winger that knows the league and doesnt need a settling in period.

Maybe he mentioned them by name, no idea, but either way, it seems likely they reached the conclusion together.

 

[Setter]

Who was Kendall's DOF?

 

[Goat]

It does fit into what Pochettino, Koeman and Puel have stated about their input there in transfers + Southampton signed players last summer before appointing a manager.

I have no knowledge about Pochs career or even what a Puel is.

I do know that Koeman has worked with a DoF for most if not all of his managerial career tho.

 

[Arteta2391]

Imagine if we could rebuild with money

 

[davek]

I think this is an interesting point.

Southampton sacked Adkins despite how well they had done in his 2.5 years at the club and were currently doing at that time and brought in Pochettino. Was that because they felt that his persona and style of play would benefit them in the longer term--im sure it was (and in fact that was the reason they gave for sacking Adkins).

They state that they have the system in place which managers need to fit into and have extensive profiles on potential replacements. In this case, they already know or have a fair idea that the manager will prefer a certain playing style and type of player in line with their existing setup.

In this case, a technical director isnt needed as they appoint the manager to already fit this system with Pochettino, Koeman and Puel. I mean, Puel is such a strange appointment out of left field (like Pochettino was) that its clearly paying dividends and following a strategy.

However, we appointed Koeman prior to having anything like this in place, least of all a DOF. Koeman fit the system at Southampton very well (bar the complaints about youth and arguments with players) but as Walsh was hired later we dont know really the role of Walsh.

Is Walsh a monchi, Reed or similar authority figure who creates and dictates policy for strategy and development or simply someone who acts as another face to simply share information between departments....

The whole thing this summer looked a mess. The other directors of football associated with the job were Overmars (who was more a creature of Cruyff to keep the board informed of what the playing side was going to look like and require at Ajax), and Monchi (who is purely a player acquisition machine).

It all looked very amateurish - like someone new playing at being the owner of the club and wanting to do things their way...even if they didn't have a clue how it'd fit together.

 

[Eggs]

...re-build is not so much about getting new players, the aim is to get the right blend.

 

[efcforever]

I think i actually absolved him a fair bit and put the pressure on Walsh.

Which could underline why we werent so successful in summer as Walsh had just joined.

The bit about Walsh hits the nail on the head IMO. Just need to patient. Koeman, Walsh and Moshiri will bring us success given enough time

 

[Goat]

The whole thing this summer looked a mess. The other directors of football associated with the job were Overmars (who was more a creature of Cruyff to keep the board informed of what the playing side was going to look like and require at Ajax), and Monchi (who is purely a player acquisition machine).

It all looked very amateurish - like someone new playing at being the owner of the club and wanting to do things their way...even if they didn't have a clue how it'd fit together.

 

[RaleighBlue]

The manager tells the scouts what type of player they want and then the scout gives them a few names and the manager picks 1.

Thats the way I SUSPECT it will happen and how it happened in the Summer.

Disagree. That's the old method, and Everton seem to be trying to get with the times. More likely, the manager tells the scouts what type of player they want. The scouts go and get a few names. Koeman gives his input. Final decision is DoF. Why? Because Koeman is transient. Managers only last a few years. It's up to the DoF to ensure we don't overpay for 1 season wonders, don't go too far down the road of being reliant on the manager, and that everything fits the Everton culture rather than the Koeman culture.

If we let the manager have final say, then he jogs off - successful or unsuccessful - you have to rebuild to a new manager. If you keep the decision in the hands of a longer-term role, then managers leaving can be much more easily overcome - like Soton as a prime example.

Putting so much responsibility on one dude is a silly, old fashioned idea that makes managers supermen rather than works within the confines of reality - some people are better at coaching, some people are better at signings, and some people are better at scouting. Hire all three rather than one to do all their jobs.

 

[Goat]

Disagree. That's the old method, and Everton seem to be trying to get with the times. More likely, the manager tells the scouts what type of player they want. The scouts go and get a few names. Koeman gives his input. Final decision is DoF. Why? Because Koeman is transient. Managers only last a few years. It's up to the DoF to ensure we don't overpay for 1 season wonders, don't go too far down the road of being reliant on the manager, and that everything fits the Everton culture rather than the Koeman culture.

If we let the manager have final say, then he jogs off - successful or unsuccessful - you have to rebuild to a new manager. If you keep the decision in the hands of a longer-term role, then managers leaving can be much more easily overcome - like Soton as a prime example.

Putting so much responsibility on one dude is a silly, old fashioned idea that makes managers supermen rather than works within the confines of reality - some people are better at coaching, some people are better at signings, and some people are better at scouting. Hire all three rather than one to do all their jobs.

Koeman doesnt strike me as the type of player that would allow somebody else to buy his players.

You only have to look at his "treatment" of Niasse.

Maybe some managers allow themselves to be dictated to, Brendan, im looking at you, but I very much doubt he is 1 of them.

From things ive watched, Walsh and Koeman seem to have a very good relationship, so im sure its a mutual decision, I would imagine Koeman gets the final word and would be very shocked if it was any other way. At some clubs im sure the DoF calls the shots and I would suspect that in a few years, when he has his feet under the table and proved his worth that Walsh will "shine", but I as I said Koeman defo wears the trousers.

 

[RaleighBlue]

Koeman doesnt strike me as the type of player that would allow somebody else to buy his players.

You only have to look at his "treatment" of Niasse.

Maybe some managers allow themselves to be dictated to, Brendan, im looking at you, but I very much doubt he is 1 of them.

From things ive watched, Walsh and Koeman seem to have a very good relationship, so im sure its a mutual decision, I would imagine Koeman gets the final word and would be very shocked if it was any other way. At some clubs im sure the DoF calls the shots and I would suspect that in a few years, when he has his feet under the table and proved his worth that Walsh will "shine", but I as I said Koeman defo wears the trousers.

I agree that it's probably more fluid that either of our initial posts indicate. It's not likely a 'thing' about who has final call, it's probably presently more mutual (of Koeman says no, it's no - if Walsh says no, it's no).

But I dunno about Koeman not being that sort. It seems to be very much how it works at Southampton. Koeman ideally is a modern manager that realizes specialization is not a dirty word.

 

[kithnou]

Koeman doesnt strike me as the type of player that would allow somebody else to buy his players.

You only have to look at his "treatment" of Niasse.

Maybe some managers allow themselves to be dictated to, Brendan, im looking at you, but I very much doubt he is 1 of them.

From things ive watched, Walsh and Koeman seem to have a very good relationship, so im sure its a mutual decision, I would imagine Koeman gets the final word and would be very shocked if it was any other way. At some clubs im sure the DoF calls the shots and I would suspect that in a few years, when he has his feet under the table and proved his worth that Walsh will "shine", but I as I said Koeman defo wears the trousers.

This is the key here. Otherwise I doubt it would work.