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Some of our ill-fate has been our own fault though, none more so than failing to beat a 10-man Man Utd in the 85 cup final. Winning that would have given us the domestic double, rarely done before then, not even by the RS, and an overall treble, and would have indelibly marked the club into the footballing annals. Instead the media still calls the 80s the RS's decade. We're an afterthought.


Agree but would go a bit further: when you're "unlucky" over such a long period, it's high time to look at yourself and not at everyone / thing else.

As to the 80's, it was their decade. We won four trophies, they won 13. Mind you, we, of course, neglected to demolish a wall or two.
 

I just want to raise something regarding Romelu Lukaku. Now I am not blaming him entirely but for me the lad has completely had his head turned and needs a break, here is why. Now first of Jose Mourinho doesn't often get it wrong to be fair hence why he has won everything (he let Rom go and gives players like Hazard 5 1/2 year contracts), he let Rom go and £28m for a lad that that although has a great scoring record is honestly struggling. His head is down, he can't control the ball, his passing is diabolical and confidence has been shot all season. Now I have though quite a lot about this and I remember Mourinho saying Rom wanted to be number one, the top striker at the Club and that wasn't going to happen, he had to move somewhere that he will be. Last season Rom was and same at West Brom when he was there. I think I have the two words that have caused the majority of the failings this season not only to Rom but to the dressing room as a whole those two words are Samuel Eto'o.
 
We're an afterthought

mrb85 your right we are an after thought and my theory on that, is that it's all to do with the names of the two clubs if they where not named after the city they would not get the attention they get now, having the name Liverpool has been a great advantage to them. The way this and other councils have bent to there every whim is proof of this, does anyone one think that any Liverpool council for one minute would've let LFC leave the city to go Knowsley not a chance, but Everton, "oh ye no problems sorry to see you go but hey never mind sorry we can't find you a site". Liverpool need a site no problems you can have that park , planning permission ye you can have that to no worries, if they needed a site tomorrow or they would leave the city one would be found tomorrow you can bet your house on that. Rant over sorry but the favoritism shown to then is unreal, and remember we have hade two blues as head of the council in recent years.
 
I'm beginning to think that whoever manages Everton we are just not destined for success. We're just not a lucky side, no two ways about it. In the last two games alone we've seen keepers pull of two breathtaking saves to deny us what could have potentially been two wins. Against Chelsea not one but two deflections from hopeful punts outside of the box flew in. I mean come on that's just ridiculous. At the same time you watch Lloris one of the best keepers in the league dive over a pea roller to allow Liverpool to score the other night. I don't know what it is but there's some dark cloud holding Everton back always tripping them up whenever they get close to the finish line. It was there under Moyes and it there again under Martinez no matter how well or badly we're playing. Everyone keeps saying last season was great, but no derby wins (again cruelly denied by absurd keeping and Liverpool scoring from three shots), no trophies, no top 4 (although again we posted a total that will probably be higher than whoever is fourth this season), no big away wins (the candy shop of Moyes' Old Trafford hardly counts). How then was it any different to any other season of the past 20 years? Whether we're battling relegation or chasing Europe the outcomes are fairly much the same. Every season ends with premier league status assured give or take a few mill for league placing, and if its been a 'really good' season we might have entry to the second tier European competition which we'll inevitably bow out of because we can't win anything. We are allergic to success. No flukey cup wins, no wins at Anfield, Stamford Bridge, Higbury/Emirates, Old Trafford (aside from Moyes United), you can count on one hand the wins over Liverpool and also the league cup runs in the last 20 years, no champions league qualification (again ill fated when we did make it), one cup final performance (again our entire spine was injured and we were against possibly the best side in Europe fully fit of course and it still needed a Lampard wonder goal).

Why does it keep happening? Why when we get to the final of a cup its not Cardiff, West Ham, Birmingham like it is for the RS or Hull like it was for Arsenal? Why do we meet Fiorentina with their keeper on fire and all their players experts at penalties but a jarg Rangers meet them in the next round and beat them on penalties with all Firoentina's players looking hopeless, they then go on to the final against Zenit, two sides we could have easily beaten. Why did Distin have to make the only two fatal backpasses of his Everton career in the cup semi final when we had weathered the RS storm, and against Lisbon when we were cruising.

It's just frustrating. I love Everton as much as anyone else but can you honestly say to me that I won't be watching for another 20 years with absolutely zero success? I can take not winning a trophy, i really can, but I can't take the fact that we still can't spawn out one flukey win over a top side on their own patch at least once in all that time! No one has any confidence that we'll beat any of those sides home or away next season either. How long exactly is it going to be before we win a derby? Its already been 5 years, 5 YEARS, I had to pay 50 quid to watch us lose 4-0 at Anfield as well as suffering the pain of a Gerrard Hat trick and Everton haven't beaten Liverpool in 5 years! Its absolutely ridiculous. There's so many embarrassing days every single season and often not even one good one. Just one good one. Is that too much to ask? One penalty shoot out win, one jammy win over the RS, god even a trophy win. Is that really to much to ask of a side ever present in the premier league and often in the top 6?

What else is the point of watching? We have become cannon fodder for sky's super six teams so that every week a load of ex RS pundits can guffaw and laugh about us as we're being 'taught a lesson' by one of the top sides i.e. we deserved something out the game but the ref swung it in their favour. Even going to the match, you get ripped off on the ticket prices, the ref is usually bent, you have some muppet in charge of the team who is either playing Rodwell on the ring or 4 defensive midfielders and four number 10s as he drops his best keeper and keeps an ever present 34 year old, and we never ever win a single game of note. What is the actual point? (As you can tell, last night hacked me off a tiny bit.....)

Get someone through the door, I dont care who it is, who can just smash down some of these ridiculous invisible barriers. A torrid side like Aston Villa can win at Anfield season after season but an Everton manager can't get an Everton side to beat Liverpool even once at Goodison park over 5 seasons? Sort it out, just get someone in who will sort that out, and can that same person be someone who just wins penalty shootouts? Who values the league cup? Who can beat even just one top side away from home just once even if its is totally underserved? Who is lucky. We've had two of the most genuine nice guys in football managing us but neither of them are lucky. Martinez was at Wigan but that seems to have gone as the Everton curse has got him. Liverpool meanwhile hire odious cretin after odious cretin and each one has a magical derby record, flukes trophies, and seems to get ridiculous luck in big games. I just want someone in charge who will turn Everton into a normal football side, one that wins and loses, has successes and failures, good days and bad. I'm not expecting league titles and champions league, just a tiny bit of hope to keep going the game in the knowledge it might be our day, it might be our tournament, it might be our year. At the moment it never is, we don't get a year, we don't get a tournament, we don't get one single day at the moment. It's just a never ending bad dream, almost nearly there but never quite, that has been happening for the past 15 years.

Great post.

I think that since the mid-00s we have had a consistently strong side who on ability should have either won a trophy or achieved at least a few wins in the big games you've mentioned. However, what the team has lacked and continues to lack is the ability to handle pressure. Almost without exception when there has been expectation we have crumbled, until we're underdogs again at which point we are suddenly ace.

Whether this has been down to the managers, the coaches, the core group of senior players or just some strange aura at the club I don't know. What emphasises this issue for me is that we've seen player after player arrive, unaffected by this aura and lifting the whole team a level in their first few months at the club - Johnson, yak, jela, Donovan, Barry - only for the team to settle in and plateau again.

The only exception who I think genuinely was able to thrive on pressure and raise his game for the big occasions on a consistent basis was Tim Cahill. Scoring against the RS, at Stamford bridge and netting against Newcastle to secure a 4th place finish (which is as near as we've come to stepping up and delivering when it's really mattered since the 95 cup final). Edit - completely forgot there were two more games after this that we lost!

We've had some great blokes play for us, good pros who strike me as genuinely good human beings - but there's too much self doubt in the team.
 
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I've been watching/supporting Everton for forty years. Apart from the mid 80's and the cup win we've won nowt. We're the nearly club who reach semi- finals and finals without winning. We reach 7th. 6 th. and 5th. We've had one great side, some good sides and some dross. The same goes for the managers.
We have a manager who we know can get a side playing good football.He's made mistakes but hasn't every manager. We might still win a cup this year.
What are the alternatives ? We get rid of him at the end of the season and get who ? A middle ranking English manager ; a foreign manager ; someone from the Championship ?
What happens when results and expectations are not fulfilled, as invariably happens. Do we get rid of him ?
Let Martinez have a full summer without distractions and then see how next season pans out.
If you know your history, you know we haven't been a successful club for over 40 years so I think we should let the man finish the season, take stock and make the necessary changes, and come out fighting next season.
I await your vitriol with amused anticipation.

not the worst idea...no change by sept / oct though = taxi.

Though if He wins the Europa, he's bought himself some more time/goodwill.
 

The reality is that we are "plucky little Everton" who occasionally go head to head with the "big boys" and, given a lot of luck & favourable draws, may reach a cup final and, God forbid, actually win one every decade or so to keep the troops sweet.

The reality is that we do find and grow on some top footballers but as soon as "The Big Boys" see that, they have them away and we have to contend ourselves with thinking that we've "done the best we can" with our £x m to "reinvest in new talent".

It will ever be thus because no matter how much TV money there is sloshing around, the "Big Boys" are now set in and there are only 4 CL places available. The rest of us - and I include Spurs & to an extent the RS - start the seasons with no much chance of breaking it.

But go on, Roberto. Prove me wrong ........... :)
 
The reality is that we are "plucky little Everton" who occasionally go head to head with the "big boys" and, given a lot of luck & favourable draws, may reach a cup final and, God forbid, actually win one every decade or so to keep the troops sweet.

The reality is that we do find and grow on some top footballers but as soon as "The Big Boys" see that, they have them away and we have to contend ourselves with thinking that we've "done the best we can" with our £x m to "reinvest in new talent".

It will ever be thus because no matter how much TV money there is sloshing around, the "Big Boys" are now set in and there are only 4 CL places available. The rest of us - and I include Spurs & to an extent the RS - start the seasons with no much chance of breaking it.

But go on, Roberto. Prove me wrong ........... :)
It might be ironic, but when the Sky money gravy train runs out in future, as it may, a more level playing field might come to pass.
 
It might be ironic, but when the Sky money gravy train runs out in future, as it may, a more level playing field might come to pass.
Everyone's been waiting for years now for that to happen. No sign of it. In fact football has now disappeared as a sport. The only contests now are those between Sky and BT. The supporters (at least those in the UK) have become irrelevant.
 
Based on this season and this season alone, the following players have a future at Everton Football Clab.

Besic, Mume
Stones, John
McCarthy, James
Jagielka, Phil
Robles, Joel
Baines, Leighton
Coleman, Seamus
Barkley, Ross

Everybody else is surplus to requirements and should be sold/retired/returned ASAP.
 

Based on this season and this season alone, the following players have a future at Everton Football Clab.

Besic, Mume
Stones, John
McCarthy, James
Jagielka, Phil
Robles, Joel
Baines, Leighton
Coleman, Seamus

Everybody else is surplus to requirements and should be sold/retired/returned ASAP.
Barkley has been crap in general but he needs to be on the list. He's shown flashes defo
 
Everyone's been waiting for years now for that to happen. No sign of it. In fact football has now disappeared as a sport. The only contests now are those between Sky and BT. The supporters (at least those in the UK) have become irrelevant.
Reminds me of the 'roaring twenties' - and we know how the thirties turned out.
 

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