2021/22 Rafael Benitez

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Rafael played the youth card because he had no other cards to play. His intuition is to play
tried and trusted as he might see it or uninterested and unreliable as I see them.

I hope he sees this season as a bust and gives Brainthwaite, Dobbin and others to get quality time on the pitch. I would also include Gbamin who needs loads of game time to get ready for next year.

But my bet is that he reverts to Roldan, Holgate, Iwobi, before the young lads.
 
How many premier league teams have teenagers starting games as a main striker?

How many premier league clubs have teenagers starting games at centre back?

This obsession Everton fans have with how our managers use youth players is bizarre. We’ve literally used so many of them in the past even when some of them haven’t been good enough by a long way.

Under Moyes we had kids in the team all the time. We started one season with Baxter Gosling Rodwell all playing despite none of them looking ready. Vaughan and Anichebe were barely prem standard, then teenage Barkley got a go. Even back then though it was always ‘it’s not enough, he doesn’t play youth’.

Since then we’ve thrown in so many players DCL Holgate Stones Lukaku Davies Kenny Gordon Branthwaite despite some of them being nowhere near good enough for us at various times. Yet still, the criticism is always about the 17 year old lad who isn’t starting games.

I don’t see many other teams in the premier league playing this amount of kids. The majority of managers will always choose experienced players over raw kids to start games. They do this all the time, almost every single manager does this yet our fan base gets uniquely annoyed as to why a teenage striker isn’t suddenly getting picked every week because he had a good showing in one game. It’s a bizarre mentality.
There are a lot of teenagers and players that turned 20 this season starting for premier league clubs at the moment
Plenty of first team regulars in all clubs that started for the first team when teenagers too and improved as a result of it.
Che/Liv/Utd/Ars/City/Tot and the rest all do it
 
How many premier league teams have teenagers starting games as a main striker?

How many premier league clubs have teenagers starting games at centre back?

This obsession Everton fans have with how our managers use youth players is bizarre. We’ve literally used so many of them in the past even when some of them haven’t been good enough by a long way.

Under Moyes we had kids in the team all the time. We started one season with Baxter Gosling Rodwell all playing despite none of them looking ready. Vaughan and Anichebe were barely prem standard, then teenage Barkley got a go. Even back then though it was always ‘it’s not enough, he doesn’t play youth’.

Since then we’ve thrown in so many players DCL Holgate Stones Lukaku Davies Kenny Gordon Branthwaite despite some of them being nowhere near good enough for us at various times. Yet still, the criticism is always about the 17 year old lad who isn’t starting games.

I don’t see many other teams in the premier league playing this amount of kids. The majority of managers will always choose experienced players over raw kids to start games. They do this all the time, almost every single manager does this yet our fan base gets uniquely annoyed as to why a teenage striker isn’t suddenly getting picked every week because he had a good showing in one game. It’s a bizarre mentality.
This is true. Most Managers will pick experience, especially if the Manager is still new to the squad.

I think is the romance of having young 17-19s performing well and become world class. But I think the reality is our own youth system have not produce such talent yet. I think we have players who are too good for U23s but not enough to be world class.
 
Not sure Benitez can take any credit for that result. He's stubbornly refused to use the young players even when the only other options boiled down to Iwobi and Rondon. Tonight he didn't even have Rondon available so he had no choice. I'm not going to pretend that he's some sort of tactical genius for benefitting from playing players that he was forced into selecting.

Rafael played the youth card because he had no other cards to play. His intuition is to play
tried and trusted as he might see it or uninterested and unreliable as I see them.

I hope he sees this season as a bust and gives Brainthwaite, Dobbin and others to get quality time on the pitch. I would also include Gbamin who needs loads of game time to get ready for next year.

But my bet is that he reverts to Roldan, Holgate, Iwobi, before the young lads.

So far...

Credit goes for signing Gray and playing Gordon.

Negative: Playing Iwobi when he could have used Dobbin in a more advanced role.

Negative: Could have used Branthwaite more

Negative: Signing Rondon when we had Simms and Dobbin.

He's stated that he's 200% confident we will have players in early for Jan.

I hope that means Digne £25mil+ and Mina £20mil+ and we bring in 4 players aged u23.

To get backing he needs to twist the deck and rebuild with a young team.

Go with Branthwaite as a starter from now on.
 

How many premier league teams have teenagers starting games as a main striker?

How many premier league clubs have teenagers starting games at centre back?

This obsession Everton fans have with how our managers use youth players is bizarre. We’ve literally used so many of them in the past even when some of them haven’t been good enough by a long way.

Under Moyes we had kids in the team all the time. We started one season with Baxter Gosling Rodwell all playing despite none of them looking ready. Vaughan and Anichebe were barely prem standard, then teenage Barkley got a go. Even back then though it was always ‘it’s not enough, he doesn’t play youth’.

Since then we’ve thrown in so many players DCL Holgate Stones Lukaku Davies Kenny Gordon Branthwaite despite some of them being nowhere near good enough for us at various times. Yet still, the criticism is always about the 17 year old lad who isn’t starting games.

I don’t see many other teams in the premier league playing this amount of kids. The majority of managers will always choose experienced players over raw kids to start games. They do this all the time, almost every single manager does this yet our fan base gets uniquely annoyed as to why a teenage striker isn’t suddenly getting picked every week because he had a good showing in one game. It’s a bizarre mentality.
I’ve literally made very similar points to yours regarding youth before. They are generally given a chance if they’re good enough. In this instance however, its less about how the youth are used and more about how players like Rondon are being used. He’s played enough times now to know he’s generally worthless. The young guys might be too but we don’t know yet. That’s the difference.
 
Rafael played the youth card because he had no other cards to play. His intuition is to play
tried and trusted as he might see it or uninterested and unreliable as I see them.

I hope he sees this season as a bust and gives Brainthwaite, Dobbin and others to get quality time on the pitch. I would also include Gbamin who needs loads of game time to get ready for next year.

But my bet is that he reverts to Roldan, Holgate, Iwobi, before the young lads.
I hope you’re wrong, but, fear you’re right.
 
How many premier league teams have teenagers starting games as a main striker?

How many premier league clubs have teenagers starting games at centre back?

This obsession Everton fans have with how our managers use youth players is bizarre. We’ve literally used so many of them in the past even when some of them haven’t been good enough by a long way.

Under Moyes we had kids in the team all the time. We started one season with Baxter Gosling Rodwell all playing despite none of them looking ready. Vaughan and Anichebe were barely prem standard, then teenage Barkley got a go. Even back then though it was always ‘it’s not enough, he doesn’t play youth’.

Since then we’ve thrown in so many players DCL Holgate Stones Lukaku Davies Kenny Gordon Branthwaite despite some of them being nowhere near good enough for us at various times. Yet still, the criticism is always about the 17 year old lad who isn’t starting games.

I don’t see many other teams in the premier league playing this amount of kids. The majority of managers will always choose experienced players over raw kids to start games. They do this all the time, almost every single manager does this yet our fan base gets uniquely annoyed as to why a teenage striker isn’t suddenly getting picked every week because he had a good showing in one game. It’s a bizarre mentality.
The thing is, if you have a thin squad and then you pick up injuries, you play your back ups. If 2 of your back ups turn out to be absolutely garbage, as for instance Rondon and Iwobi have, instead of persisting in picking them week after week, surely you must give the young players a chance. I’m not suggesting that they should play once the regular fist choice players are fit again, but, they should have been given a chance long before now.

Also, it’s a strange thing how opinions can differ, you referenced Vaughan being barely prem standard, the Vaughan I watched was a tenacious striker who always looked dangerous and, had it not been for his injuries, would have gone on to have a good Everton career,
 

How many premier league teams have teenagers starting games as a main striker?

How many premier league clubs have teenagers starting games at centre back?

This obsession Everton fans have with how our managers use youth players is bizarre. We’ve literally used so many of them in the past even when some of them haven’t been good enough by a long way.

Under Moyes we had kids in the team all the time. We started one season with Baxter Gosling Rodwell all playing despite none of them looking ready. Vaughan and Anichebe were barely prem standard, then teenage Barkley got a go. Even back then though it was always ‘it’s not enough, he doesn’t play youth’.

Since then we’ve thrown in so many players DCL Holgate Stones Lukaku Davies Kenny Gordon Branthwaite despite some of them being nowhere near good enough for us at various times. Yet still, the criticism is always about the 17 year old lad who isn’t starting games.

I don’t see many other teams in the premier league playing this amount of kids. The majority of managers will always choose experienced players over raw kids to start games. They do this all the time, almost every single manager does this yet our fan base gets uniquely annoyed as to why a teenage striker isn’t suddenly getting picked every week because he had a good showing in one game. It’s a bizarre mentality.

This is perhaps the least sensible thing you've posted here lately.

Playing those kids did work, and they were good enough (at least based on the metric of "are they better than the other options in the squad"). Doing that also created hundreds of millions of pounds worth of added value (of which more than £100 million has been realised) at a time when we've been pissing money up the wall. Doing that was probably the only ongoing bit of good financial management that we have done in the past twenty-one years; we should have done more of it.

Also your second to last line as an especially mad example of a lack of sense - Simms and Dobbin played better tonight for us than Rondon has ever played for us. Until DCL comes back they should keep that place until they dip below Rondon's level, or until Rondon comes on and ups his performance. We looked much better with them on the pitch. That is basic football management.
 
It’s a great time for the team to have a break now, chance to get a few injured or sick players back, clear the heads and look forward to some winnable fixtures hopefully.
I think that point at Chelsea could prove to be a massive point as it will give the team the belief it can grab valuable points when backs against the wall and also give confidence to those young players who performed so well.

I can see some of those young players being replaced by some of the more established players for the simple fact they do need to be protected, firstly because of the intensity of the premier league and you don’t want burnout and secondly Everton fans have clearly shown they are not patient and any mistakes are pounced on so would rip young players apart if things are not going well on the pitch as the treatment of the manager this season shows.
I really would like to see what Benitez does in the transfer window, the key to it will be how much funds he gets and if he needs to sell before he buys, if he could unearth a right back with the quality of like when he signed that Arboloa across the park that would be most welcome, he could also offload a few players fans have been crying out for them to move on too.. what we definately know is Benitez will know what’s players are required, what players need to be sold and who is not good enough before any of us on here do so let’s just let him get on with it..
 

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